Finding Basis & Spanning Set for Matrix: a,b,c,d

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The discussion revolves around finding the spanning set and basis for a specific type of 2x2 matrix defined by the condition that the second column entries are equal (b = d). Participants are exploring the concepts of spanning sets and bases within the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants are considering the nature of the spanning set and basis, with some suggesting that the spanning set consists of matrices formed by real parameters. Others question whether the inquiry pertains to a general subspace of matrices or a specific matrix, prompting clarification on the problem's context.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the structure of the matrices involved and the nature of the basis in relation to vector spaces. However, there is no explicit consensus on the exact requirements of the problem, and further details are requested for clarity.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding whether the problem pertains to a general subspace of matrices or a specific matrix. Additionally, the original poster's understanding of the spanning set and basis appears to be under scrutiny, indicating potential misconceptions that need addressing.

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I'm having trouble finding the spanning set and basis for the matrix;

| a b |
| c d | with condition that b=d

I'm thinking thinking the spanning set would be
A= x
B = y
C = z

Such that x,y,z are all reals, but I can't think of how to find a basis for this, I'm thinking of doing row echolon form but am thinking of how to set parameters.
 
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Hi Offlinedoctor! :smile:
Offlinedoctor said:
I'm thinking thinking the spanning set would be
A= x
B = y
C = z

Such that x,y,z are all reals …

I don't understand this at all. :redface:

The members of the spanning set will all be matrices.

Try again. :smile:
 
Are you looking for a basis for the subspace of all 2x2 matrices such that both entries in the second column are equal ?

Or are you only dealing with a single particular matrix in which case saying "basis for the matrix" would make no sense. Generally when we refer to a basis with regards to a single matrix we are referring to a basis for its column space, row space, or null spaces, of the columns and rows. In the context of linear algebra a basis is a minimal spanning set for a vector space.

Add some more detail to statement of the problem.
 
I think I answered this before- on a different forum (and for a different poster user name).

I suspect you are asking for a subspace of all 2 by 2 matrices of the form
\begin{bmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{bmatrix}
such that b= d.

Such a matrix looks like
\begin{bmatrix}a & b \\ c & b \end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}a & 0 \\ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix}+ \begin{bmatrix}0 & b \\ 0 & b \end{bmatrix}+ \begin{bmatrix}0 & 0 \\ c & 0\end{bmatrix}
= a\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 \end{bmatrix}+ b\begin{bmatrix}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}+ c\begin{bmatrix}0 & 0 \\ 1 & 0 \end{bmatrix}
If that does not answer your question, you need to talk to your instructor.
 

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