Finding coefficients of superposition of states

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the coefficients of superposition of quantum states for a system of two particles with spins s1=3/2 and s2=1/2. Participants explore the mathematical approach to express the state |a(t)> in terms of a new basis and the implications of the Hamiltonian on time evolution.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the initial state |a(0)> and outlines a method involving the basis |s, s_z> to find |a(t)>.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of knowing the Hamiltonian for time evolution, which is identified as H=αs1·s2.
  • There is a discussion about finding the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian and the correct application of the Clebsch-Gordan coefficients to normalize the states.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the coefficients a1 and a2, suggesting they can be calculated using Clebsch-Gordan coefficients or found in related tables.
  • One participant attempts to apply the lowering operator to derive the states but questions the correctness of their results, indicating a potential misunderstanding or miscalculation.
  • Another participant reminds that the lowering operator's action leads to specific coefficients that should match across calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using Clebsch-Gordan coefficients but express differing views on the correctness of specific calculations and the application of operators. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact coefficients and their normalization.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the calculations depend on conventions for Clebsch-Gordan coefficients and the normalization process, which may not be universally agreed upon. There are also references to specific mathematical steps that remain unclear or unresolved.

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I have some troubles in finding coefficients of superposition of states.

I have 2 particles, their spins are s1=3/2 and s2=1/2.
At t=0, the system is described by |a(0)>=|3/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2>

I have to find |a(t)>.

I have thought to proceed in the following way:

1) use the basis |s, s_z> where s=s1+s2 and s_z= s_1z+s_2z and find the expressions of these vectors in function of the "old" basis (old basis: |s1, s_1z, s_2, s_2z> )
2) find the expression of |a(0)> in this new basis and then find its expression in function of t.

But something went wrong... For example, if i want to find |s=2, s_z=1>, I have:
|s=2, s_z=1>=a1 |3/2, 3/2, 1/2, -1/2>+a2 |3/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2>

If I apply the operator J_, I obtain
0= \sqrt 3 a_1 |3/2, 1/2, 1/2, -1/2>+ 2 a_2 |3/2, -1/2, 1/2, 1/2>+a_2 |3/2, 1/2, 1/2, -1/2>.. is it wrong?

And now, how can I find a1 and a2 (normalized)?
 
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Time evolution requires the knowledge of the system's Hamiltonian.
 
you're right. It is H=\alpha s_1 \cdot s_2
where alpha is constant. Could you help me?
 
Find the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian.
 
Step 1) and 2) are correct.
bznm said:
But something went wrong... For example, if i want to find |s=2, s_z=1>, I have:
|s=2, s_z=1>=a1 |3/2, 3/2, 1/2, -1/2>+a2 |3/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2>
I don't see anything wrong, you just haven't founnd the coefficients yet.
bznm said:
how can I find a1 and a2 (normalized)?
They are called Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. There is a way to calculate them so that the states are normalized, but you can also make use of your internet connection to find a related table.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
They are called Clebsch-Gordan coefficients. There is a way to calculate them so that the states are normalized, but you can also make use of your internet connection to find a related table.

I have to calculate them ;)
 
There is one convention in calculating Clebsch-Gordan coefficient, namely the coefficient corresponding to ##|s_{max},s_{max}\rangle## is agreed to be unity. In other words
$$ |s_{max},s_{max}\rangle = |s_1,s_1\rangle |s_2,s_2\rangle $$
So, to get the coefficients for ##|2,1\rangle##, you should start by applying lowering operator, ##S_- = S_{1-}+S_{2-}##, to the state ##|2,2\rangle##.
 
well, I have tried.

j-|2,2>=|2,1|=k_1 |3/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2>+k_2 |3/2, 3/2, 1/2, -1/2> where |k_1>=\sqrt 3, k_2=1
if I want to normalize them,|k_1>=\sqrt 3 /2, k_2=1/2

If I apply j_ again,

j- |2,1>=|2,0>=k_1 *k_3 |3/2, -1/2, 1/2, 1/2>+k_1*k_4|3/2, 1/2, 1/2, -1/2>+k_2*k_5|3/2, 1/2, 1/2, -1/2>

where k_3=2, k_4=1, k_5=sqrt 3...

And so, I haven't obtained the correct result... what's wrong?
 
bznm said:
j-|2,2>=|2,1>j- |2,1>=|2,0>
Remember that ##J_-|j,m\rangle = C_-|j,m-1\rangle##, regardless of whether the lowering operator is a total or a single operator

bznm said:
if I want to normalize them,|k_1>=\sqrt 3 /2, k_2=1/2
Calculate the coefficient which is supposed to be in front of ##|2,1 \rangle ## on the left hand side, and you will find the same answer as you did here. Do the same for your second calculation.
 

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