Finding coeficient of friction with a slope/blocks/a pulley

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The problem involves two blocks connected by a string over a frictionless pulley, with one block on an incline. The scenario includes calculating the coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the incline, given specific values for velocity and acceleration. The incline is at an angle of 23 degrees, and there is a mention of gravitational acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly the contradiction between constant velocity and acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the calculation of the normal force and its relationship to the weight of the block on the incline. Some participants suggest using free body diagrams to analyze the forces acting on each block.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's calculations. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of trigonometric relationships and Newton's laws. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to break down forces into components, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem wording and the implications of the given values for velocity and acceleration. There is also a discussion about the correct interpretation of the normal force in relation to the weight of the block.

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Homework Statement


Two blocks are connected by a thin inextensible string over a frictionless massless pulley
as shown on the picture below
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s
Given that the two blocks move at 5.7 m/s
under an acceleration of 4 m/s^2
calculate the coefficient µk of kinetic friction between the
left block and the incline.

The picture is a slope of 23 degrees

Homework Equations


Fnet = ma and friction = Fn(mu)

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the normal force to be 284.2/cos(23) = 308.7436 N.
the problem says that its moving at a constant velocity so the net force should equal 0.
m x a = 92 x 4 = 368 N though which would make mu = 368/308.7436 aka greater than 1 which is wrong.
Maybe I misunderstood something in the wording of the problem? :/
 

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The problem is not clearly worded. It can't be moving at constant velocity if it is accelerating at 4m/s/s. I guess it means that at some point in time its velocity is 5.7 m/s, but that is irelevant here.

Check your normal force calculation, you divided when you should have multiplied.

It is essential that you draw free body diagrams of each block to identify the forces acting on each block, then use Newton's laws on each to solve for the friction coefficient from the resulting 2 equations. Don't try to do it in one fell swoop.
 
are you absolutely sure my normal force calculation should be multiplied instead of divided? I can't see how.
The 23 degree angle should be the same as the angle from Fg(vertical) to -Fnormal(perpendicular to the incline) of the block on the incline.
then cos x = adj/hyp
cos 23 = 284.2/h
h cos 23 = 284.2
h = 284.2/cos 23

the other things you said are very useful though :) thanks.
 
DLH112 said:
are you absolutely sure my normal force calculation should be multiplied instead of divided? I can't see how.
you have mixed up the weight with the normal force , while also mixing up the hypotenuse and adjacent side
The 23 degree angle should be the same as the angle from Fg(vertical) to -Fnormal(perpendicular to the incline) of the block on the incline.
Yes, this is corrrect
then cos x = adj/hyp
cos 23 = 284.2/h
h cos 23 = 284.2
h = 284.2/cos 23
The weight acts straight down. You should then break up the weight into its components perpendicular and parallel to the incline. The components can never be greater than the resultant weight. The weight is the hypotenuse. The component of the weight perpendicular to the incline is the adjacent side and thus equal to h(cos23) = (284.2)cos 23. Then since there is no acceleration perpendicular to the incline, the Normal force must be equal to the perpendicular component of the weight, per Newton's First Law.
 

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