Finding Infinite Units in \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21}) Using Continued Fractions

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The discussion revolves around finding an infinite number of units in the number field \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21})\) using continued fractions. Participants explore the relationship between units in this field and solutions to Pell's equation, as well as the application of continued fractions in deriving these units.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find an infinite number of units in \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21})\) using continued fractions, noting they have the periodic form of the continued fraction.
  • Another participant states that \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21})\) is a field where every non-zero element is a unit, providing a formula for the inverse of an element in the form \(a + b\sqrt{21}\).
  • A third participant interprets the original question as seeking units in the ring of integers of \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21})\) and mentions the connection to Pell's equation \(x^2 - 21y^2 = 1\), indicating that solutions can be derived from the continued fraction expansion of \(\sqrt{21}\).
  • Another participant agrees with the interpretation and expresses confusion about the procedure to derive units from Pell's equation, despite knowing the fundamental unit.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant was able to clarify their misunderstanding thanks to the previous contributions.

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Participants generally agree on the connection between units in \(\mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21})\) and Pell's equation, but there remains uncertainty regarding the specific procedures for deriving units from continued fractions and Pell's equation. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the computational steps involved.

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Limitations include the lack of detailed procedures for applying continued fractions to find units and the dependence on the understanding of Pell's equation solutions. Some assumptions about the familiarity with these concepts may not be shared among all participants.

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How do you find an infinite number of units of \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21}) using the \sqrt(21)? I saw one example using continued fractions but do not know how to apply it in this case. I do have the periodic form of the continued fraction of \sqrt(21).
 
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Q(sqrt(21)) is a field, every element except 0 is a unit. a/(a^2+b^2)-b*sqrt(21)/(a^2+b^2) is an inverse to a+b*sqrt(21) for rational a and b.
 
I interpret the original question to be "Find the units in the ring of integers of the number field \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt{21}). If so, then you may know that the units in that ring correspond to solutions of the so-called Pell's equation x^2 - 21y^2 = 1. Furthermore, solutions to Pell's equation can be obtained from the continued fraction expansion of \sqrt{21}.

If this is what you're looking for, then your textbook probably has more details and examples. I'd be glad to give more advice if you have specific questions.
 
Yes Petek you hit the nail on the head, actually the book I'm reading seems to have no details and the few resources I looked up online just said we can derive some particular unit that if you raise it to the nth power, it's still a unit, from the pell's equation. I know the fundamental unit for \mathbb{Q}(\sqrt(21)) I'm just really unclear on the procedure or computation it involves to get there or to at least find a unit such as the one I described above.
 
Thanks to Petek I was able to clear up my misunderstanding.
 

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