Finding Integer Solutions for a Fifth Degree Equation

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The discussion focuses on finding integer solutions for the polynomial equation x^5 - 15x^3 - x - 60 = 0. Participants explore methods for solving this fifth-degree equation, particularly in the context of integer solutions rather than real numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there is no general solution for quintic equations, suggesting the use of graphical methods to identify the number of real solutions.
  • One participant mentions the "rational root theorem" as a useful tool for finding integer solutions, indicating that any rational root must be an integer in this case.
  • Another participant lists potential integer candidates based on the rational root theorem, specifically divisors of 60, and suggests testing these values in the equation.
  • A later reply claims that x = 4 is the only integer solution found through evaluation of the polynomial at the proposed integer candidates.
  • One participant points out that the equation must have at least one real root due to its odd degree, but does not specify the nature of the remaining roots.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the rational root theorem and the identification of potential integer solutions. However, there is no consensus on the completeness of the solution set, as one participant claims x = 4 is the only integer solution, while others have not confirmed this or explored further.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of solving quintic equations and the limitations of finding all roots without computational assistance. There is also mention of potential missing candidates for integer solutions, as one participant noted an oversight in their initial list.

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Solve for x∈ℤ.

x^5-15x^3-x-60 = 0

How do I get started? I think the solution is not over the real numbers.

You say?
 
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mathland said:
Solve for x∈ℤ.

x^5-15x^3-x-60 = 0

How do I get started? I think the solution is not over the real numbers.

You say?
This is a bit high level for you, isn't it? There is no way to solve a quintic equation in general, though there are some tricks you can employ. Graphically we can see how many real solutions there are. (There are three.)

Have you covered the "rational root theorem?" There is a rational (actually integer) solution you can find, but unless you use Excel or something it will be a bit of a hassle to get. Once you get that you can use synthetic division to reduce it to a quartic equation. There is a way to solve these (see the section "solution") but it's pretty hairy. Unless you need to find all of the roots I'd leave it with the integer solution.

-Dan
 
odd degree says the equation has to at least one real root. could be ...

1 real & 4 imaginary, or

3 real & 2 imaginary, or

all 5 real

rational root theorem shows there is one real root that is rational
 
The problem specifically says that you are to solve for x in Z, the set of integers, so, yes, the solution is not over the real numbers!

And the set of all integers is a subset of the set of rational number so I would start by using the
"rational root theorem" suggested by TopSquark and Klaas Van Aarsen.

The rational root theorem says that any rational root of the polynomial equation $\alpha_nx^n+ \alpha_{n-1}x^{n- 1}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ \alpha_1 x+ \alpha_0= 0$ is of the form $\frac{a}{b}$ where a divides $\alpha_0$ and b divides $\alpha_n$.

Here $\alpha_0= 1$ so the denominator must be 1- any rational root must be an integer. $\alpha_n= 60$ so any integer solution must be a divisor of 60. Such numbers are 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, -3, 4, -4, 6, -6, 10, -10, 12, -12, 15, -15, 30, -30, 60, and -60. Try those into the equation to see which, if any, of those actually satisfy the equation.
 
Thanks everyone.
 
I get x= 4 as the only integer solution.
I wrote a short program to evaluate the polynomial at the values of x above.
(I accidently left 5 and -5 from the list of possible roots but they are not actually roots.)
 
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