Finding Orthogonal Matrices: 2 Solutions and Help

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This discussion focuses on finding orthogonal matrices, specifically two matrices derived from rotational properties and reflections. The first matrix identified is a rotation matrix with a determinant of -1, represented as \begin{pmatrix} -\cos( \frac {\pi} {4}) & \sin(\frac {\pi} {4})\\ \sin(\frac {\pi} {4}) & \cos(\frac {\pi} {4})\end{pmatrix}. The second matrix is obtained by changing the signs of the sine components. The discussion concludes that not all orthogonal matrices are rotations; some involve reflections, leading to a total of eight possible matrices when considering variations of \pm \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}.

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Homework Statement
Find four distinct orthogonal 2x2 matrices, each of which has top-left entry equal to ##-\frac {1} {\sqrt{2}}##
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Definition of an orthogonal matrix:
##M^T=M^{-1}##
I have found two such matrices:

##\begin{pmatrix} -cos( \frac {\pi} {4}) & sin(\frac {\pi} {4})\\ sin(\frac {\pi} {4}) & cos(\frac {\pi} {4})\end{pmatrix}####\begin{pmatrix} -cos( \frac {\pi} {4}) & -sin(\frac {\pi} {4})\\ -sin(\frac {\pi} {4}) & cos(\frac {\pi} {4})\end{pmatrix}##

Any hint how to find the other two? I have tried several solutions but all of them were wrong.
 
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Poetria said:
I have found two such matrices
How ?
Poetria said:
Any hint how to find the other two?
Do the explicit matrix multiplication and solve the equations ...

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Oh, ok, I will try. Many thanks. :)

The first matrix is a rotational one: it's easy if you know its properties. The determinant is -1.
Then I have changed the signs of both sines and verified if the second matrix is orthogonal.
BvU said:
How ?

Do the explicit matrix multiplication and solve the equations ...

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Poetria said:
The first matrix is a rotational one
You sure ? I thought those have determinant 1 ...

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BvU said:
You sure ? I thought those have determinant 1 ...

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Of course, I am wrong. I confused it with this one:

##\begin{pmatrix} cos(\pi/4) & -sin(\pi/4)\\ sin(\pi/4) & cos(\pi/4)\\\end{pmatrix}##

Anyway a rotational matrix was my point of departure. But I needed a negative cos(pi/4) in the top left corner.
 
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Any hint how to find the other two? I have tried several solutions but all of them were wrong.
I think you need to reflect a little more.
 
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PeroK said:
I think you need to reflect a little more.
I think so. I will get to the bottom of it sooner or later. :)
 
Well, I have studied the definition of the orthogonal matrix:
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/OrthogonalMatrix.html
"The rows of an orthogonal matrix are an orthonormal basis. That is, each row has length one, and are mutually perpendicular."

There is a constraint: -1/sqrt(2) in the left top corner of the matrix.
So I have
## \sqrt {(-\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)})^{2}+x^{2}} =1##
##x= \frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}## v ##x= -\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}##

There are two possibilities for the first row:
##\begin{pmatrix} -\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)} & \frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}\end{pmatrix}##
##\begin{pmatrix} -\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)} & -\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}\end{pmatrix}##

The dot product of the first and second row has to be equal to zero.

vector (-1/sqrt(2), 1/sqrt(2)) dot vector (y, z) = 0

##\frac {z} {\sqrt(2)} - \frac {y} {\sqrt(2)}=0##

Therefore y=z.
But the length of the second row must be 1.
Therefore ##y=\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}## v ##y=-\frac {1} {\sqrt(2)}##

The only thing I could do to obtain other matrices is change ##\theta##, e.g. instead of ##\sin(\frac{\pi} {4})## give ##\sin(\frac{9*\pi} {4})## but it's the same numerically.
 
Not all orthogonal matrices are rotations. In fact, only two are rotations. The others involve rotations and a reflection.

Or, you can simply work through the options for ##\pm \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}## in each entry. That gives 8 possibilities with minus in the first entry to check.
 
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Wow. :) I got it. :) Wonderful. Many thanks :)
 
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Poetria said:
Wow. :) I got it. :) Wonderful. Many thanks :)
A bit of quiet reflection was all it needed!
 
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