Finding pH of a buffer with polyprotic acid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the pH of a buffer solution created by mixing sodium hydroxide (NaOH), disodium hydrogen phosphate (Na2HPO4), and phosphoric acid (H3PO4). Participants explore the implications of polyprotic acids and the appropriate use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, considering the contributions of each component to the overall pH.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the small Ka value of HPO4 should be considered in pH calculations or if it can be ignored in favor of H3PO4 alone.
  • Another participant suggests using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation with the pKa of H3PO4, expressing uncertainty about the base/acid ratio in their calculations.
  • A different participant emphasizes that Na2HPO4 cannot be ignored and proposes calculating the amounts of each acid and base involved in the neutralization process.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the calculations and requests a step-by-step explanation of the neutralization reactions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the reaction between NaOH and H3PO4 produces Na2HPO4 and highlights the need to consider the sequential neutralization of acids.
  • There is a discussion about the correct stoichiometry of the reactions and the resulting concentrations of the acid and conjugate base in the buffer solution.
  • Participants explore the implications of having leftover strong base after neutralization and how it affects the final pH calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the pH calculation, with multiple competing views on the significance of each component in the buffer solution and the appropriate method for calculating pH.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the contributions of different acids and bases in the buffer solution, the correct application of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, and the stoichiometry of the reactions involved. There are unresolved questions about the final concentrations of the acid and conjugate base after neutralization.

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Wow, thanks! Hahaha, that was the most frustrating problem I've dealt with in a while, but it feels very good to have gotten through it. Thanks for all the help!
 

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