Finding Range of Set: Notation & Shorthand

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The discussion focuses on finding a shorthand notation for the range of a set, specifically the difference between the maximum and minimum values. Participants suggest various notations, including using order statistics, such as R = max_j(t_j) - min_j(t_j), and t(n:n) - t(1:n). There is also mention of using condensed forms to simplify the expression, like {R} {t_1, t_2, ..., t_n}. Additionally, the understanding of notation for positive rational numbers, \mathbb{Q}^+, is confirmed to be analogous to that of positive reals, \mathbb{R}^+. The conversation emphasizes the need for concise mathematical expressions.
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*Suppose I want to find the range of the set \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\}, that is, the difference between the maximum and minimum values (of the elements that is!) in the set.

Do I have to fully write out,
\max \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} - \min \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\}

Or is there some nice shorthand/other notation to use ?
Maybe something like
\left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\}|_{\min }^{\max } ??

*Is there any symbol/notation/shorthand available to represent a set's range?
(b/c writing out \max \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} - \min \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} is quite tedious:redface:!)
 
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I know what range means, mr. iNCREDiBLE ...
(that's not the problem)

I just need a better notation for it!

From reading those pages, I suppose the notation would be
{R} \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} ?

Am I correct ?
 
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bomba923 said:
I know what range means, mr. iNCREDiBLE ...
(that's not the problem)

I just need a better notation for it!

From reading those pages, I suppose the notation would be
{R} \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} ?

Am I correct ?

I know that you know what it means, mr. bomba923. I'm just trying to help you.
It says clearly that the range is denoted as R = max_j(t_j) - min_j(t_j).
 
iNCREDiBLE said:
It says clearly that the range is denoted as R = max_j(t_j) - min_j(t_j).

Which pretty much is the same as..
bomba923 said:
\max \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\} - \min \left\{ {t_1 ,t_2 , \ldots ,t_n } \right\}
Except for the subscripts identifying which variable is considered for maximums/minimums and that the sets are written in condensed form :cool:
 
Using "order stats" notation, you could write t(n:n) - t(1:n), could even write t(n) - t(1). Or you could type "XYZ" for range and then do a search-and-replace with the correct notation.
 
Hey, um, just one more notation question:
*Is it generally understood that \mathbb{Q}^ + refers to the set of all positive rationals?
(just like \mathbb{R}^ + refers to the set of all positive reals)

Right?
 
I am not a mathematician by trade, but I have seen both R+ and R+ to refer to positive reals; so by extrapolation I guess same notation would hold for Q as well.
 

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