Finding Solutions for Non-Linear Equations and ODEs in Math

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the existence of functions that satisfy certain non-linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and integral equations. Participants explore the implications of finding such functions and the methods available for investigating their existence, including numerical approaches.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the existence of a function f(x) that satisfies a given non-linear ODE or integral equation is guaranteed.
  • Another participant clarifies that if a function has been found to satisfy an equation, then it exists, but emphasizes that not all equations necessarily have solutions.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that numerical methods can be used to approximate solutions, allowing for visual representation of the function, which may indicate its existence.
  • However, a counterpoint is raised that numerical solutions are only approximate and do not guarantee the existence of an exact solution to the equation.
  • One participant reiterates the use of numerical methods and provides a specific integral manipulation as a potential approach to explore the function's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of solutions to non-linear equations, with some asserting that numerical methods can provide insights while others caution against assuming that approximate solutions imply the existence of exact solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general existence of functions satisfying the posed equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical concepts, including existence and uniqueness theorems, numerical methods, and integral calculus, without reaching a consensus on the implications of these concepts for the existence of solutions.

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Let,s suppose I'm asked to find a function with certain properties in math, let's call this function f(x), my question is if i find that f(x) must satisfy a certain differential or integral equation let's say:

[tex]a(x)f''+b(x)(f')^2 + c(x)tan(f) = 0[/tex] (NOn- linear ODE )

[tex]x+ f(x)= \int_a ^ b dy log(y^2 +f(x) )[/tex] (Non-linear equation)

The question is...does this mean that the function f(x) as a solution of an ODE or a Non-linear integral equation necessarily exist?...:confused: :confused:
 
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I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean you have actually have found a function satisfying a given equation, then, yes, it exists!

If you mean you have been asked to find a function satisfying a given equation, then, no, it is not necessarily true that such a function exists. (There are a variety of "existence and uniqueness theorems" that assert that such-and-such problems have solutions. I don't know of any that assert that every non-linear differential equation or every non-linear integral equation has a solution, A perfectly good answer to such a question is "no such function exists" and then, of course, proving there is no such function. Of course, actually finding the function is itself proof that such a function does exist!
 
but the question (from my point of view) would be:

-How could you know that a function satisfying:

[tex]x+ f(x) = \int_a ^b dy Log (y^2 +f(x))[/tex] exist?...well the question is that you can always use a "Numerical method" ( integration by quadratures, and all that) so you can "draw" a picture of how the function would look like , and you can check that the function exists and it's Non-zero.
 
Except that a numerical solution is at best "approximate". And remember that the approximation is saying that the function given by the numerical solution approximately satisfies the equation. It is quite possible that, even if an equation has an approximate numerical solution, there is no exact solution.
 
eljose said:
but the question (from my point of view) would be:

-How could you know that a function satisfying:

[tex]x+ f(x) = \int_a ^b dy Log (y^2 +f(x))[/tex] exist?...well the question is that you can always use a "Numerical method" ( integration by quadratures, and all that) so you can "draw" a picture of how the function would look like , and you can check that the function exists and it's Non-zero.

It may be useful the following:

[tex]\int dy Log(y^2 + f(x)) = y Log(y^2 + f(x)) - 2 \int dy \frac{y^2}{y^2 + f(x)}[/tex]

(by parts).
 

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