Finding the Cost of a Gift: Solving a Fractional Payment Dilemma

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the cost-sharing of a gift among three individuals: Devi, Sam, and Nora. Participants analyze the given information about their contributions and attempt to determine how much Sam paid. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and algebraic expressions related to fractions and total costs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Devi paid 5.85 dollars, and Nora paid 13.80 dollars more than Devi, leading to Nora's payment being 19.65 dollars.
  • Some participants calculate the total cost based on the contributions, arriving at a total of 30 dollars, and check the fractions of the total cost attributed to Devi and Sam, and Sam and Nora.
  • One participant suggests an alternative approach using algebraic expressions to represent the relationships between the amounts paid by Devi, Sam, and Nora.
  • Another participant points out inconsistencies in the calculations, noting that the sums do not match the fractions of the total cost as stated in the problem.
  • There is a mention of a potential error in the problem's setup, indicating that the information may not be consistent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial calculations and the consistency of the problem's information. Some believe the problem is flawed, while others attempt to validate their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the problem may have inconsistencies, as the derived values do not satisfy all the conditions given in the problem statement.

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Devi, Sam and Nora shared the cost of a gift for their friend. The amount Devi and Sam paid was 3/10 of the cost and the amount Sam and Nora paid was 7/10 of the cost. Devi paid 5.85 dollars and Nora paid 13.80 dollars more than Devi. How much did sam pay?

My work:

How much Devi paid = D
How much Sam paid = S
How much Nora paid = N
Total money the spent = C

We Know D + S = 3/10C

We Know S + N = 7/10C

We know D spent 5.85. So, D = 5.85

We know N spend 13.80 more than D. So N = D + 13.80Then I did elimination:

19.65 + S = 7/10C
- 5.85 + S = 3/10C
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= 13.80 = 4/10C

So, C =34.50.We are looking for how much sam paid, so then I did this below.

5.85 + Sam = 3/10(34.5)

Sam = 4.50
 
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Do you have a question?! If you are asking if this is correct, it is not that hard to check:

You have arrived at the solution that Devi paid 5.85, Sam paid 4.50, Nora paid 19.65, and the total paid was 5.85+ 4.50+ 19.65= 30.

"The amount Devi and Sam paid was 3/10 of the cost"
Devi and Sam together paid 5.85+ 4.50= 10.35. That is NOT 3/10 of 30.

"the amount Sam and Nora paid was 7/10 of the cost."
Sam and Nora together paid 4.50+ 19.65= 24.15. That is NOT 7/10 of 30.

Here is how I would do it, letting D, S, and N be the amount each paid:

"The amount Devi and Sam paid was 3/10 of the cost" so D+ S= (3/10)(D+ S+ N). We can write that as 10(D+ S)= 3(D+ S+ N), 10D+ 10S= 3D+ 3S+ 3N, 7D+ 7S- 3N= 0.

"The amount Sam and Nora paid was 7/10 of the cost" so S+ N= (7/10)(D+ S+ N). We can write that as 10(S+ N)= 7(D+ S+ N), 10S+ 10N= 7D+ 7S+ 7N, 3S+3N- 7D= 0.

"Devi paid 5.85 dollars and Nora paid 13.80 dollars more than Devi." Well this makes the previous two equations almost trivial! (If this is consistent- we have effectively four equations in three unknowns. Solutions to three of the equations might not work in the fourth.)
D= 5.85 and N= 5.85+ 13.80= 19.65 so the previous two equations become:
7D+ 7S- 3N= 40.95+ 7S- 58.95= 0 so 7S= 18. S= 18/7= 2.57... (that is a repeating decimal.)
3S+ 3N- 7D= 3S+ 58.95- 40.95= 3S+ 18= 0. S= -6 which not only does not match the previous value, it makes no sense as an amount paid. This is a bad problem- the given informarion is not consistent!
 
Country Boy said:
Do you have a question?! If you are asking if this is correct, it is not that hard to check:

You have arrived at the solution that Devi paid 5.85, Sam paid 4.50, Nora paid 19.65, and the total paid was 5.85+ 4.50+ 19.65= 30.

My mistake, I should have asked in the question if I was heading the right path with the algebraic expression I created? :-)

In the book, Sam answer was $4.50.

Thank you for clearing up the problem.
 
The problem says that "Devi paid 5.85 dollars and Nora paid 13.80 dollars more than Devi." So Nora paid 13.80+ 5.85= 19.65. If Sam paid 4.50 then the total cost was 5.85+ 19.65+ 4.50= 30. 7/10 of 30 is 21 but Sam and Nora paid 19.65+ 4.50= 24.19, NOT 21! That is incorrect.
 

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