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The discussion revolves around solving the inequality u(u-1) > 0, focusing on the logic and methods for determining the set of values for u that satisfy this condition. Participants explore different approaches to factoring and analyzing the inequality, as well as the implications of the solution set.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the solution set being given as (-∞,0) U (1,∞) and questions why u < 0 is included.
  • Another participant clarifies that the inequality u(u - 1) > 0 can be satisfied if either both factors are positive (u > 1) or both are negative (u < 0).
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the logical operators "and" versus "or" in the context of the inequality.
  • A participant mentions that the quadratic u^2 - u > 0 represents a "smiling" parabola, indicating that the function is positive outside the roots at u = 0 and u = 1.
  • Some participants reference external resources to aid in understanding the process of solving polynomial inequalities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to solving the inequality, with some advocating for different methods of reasoning. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the logical steps involved in solving the inequality.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the reasoning behind considering both positive and negative cases in the inequality. There are references to external resources that may provide additional context or clarification.

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Hi. I'm having trouble understanding the logic behind finding a set of u for u(u-1) > 0. To solve these, I tend to factor as much as possible, then equate each expression to 0 (in this case to > 0) and solve, changing the > to < if I must divide by a negative number. I get u >0 and u > 1 but the solution is given as (-∞,0)U(1,∞), aka u>1 and u<0. Why does it say u<0?
Any help would be appreciated.

SOLVED. See below replies + http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/Alg/SolvePolyInequalities.aspx
 
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1question said:
Hi. I'm having trouble understanding the logic behind finding a set of u for u(u-1) > 0. To solve these, I tend to factor as much as possible, then equate each expression to 0 (in this case to > 0) and solve, changing the > to < if I must divide by a negative number.
This is not the correct approach. If u(u - 1) > 0 then either
1) u > 0 AND u - 1 > 0. This leads to u > 0 AND u > 1, which simplifies to u > 1
OR
2) u < 0 AND u - 1 < 0. This leads to u < 0 AND u < 1, which simplifies to u < 0
1question said:
I get u >0 and u > 1 but the solution is given as (-∞,0)U(1,∞), aka u>1 and u<0.
No, (-∞, 0) U (1, ∞) does not mean u > 1 and u < 0, which no number can satisfy. There is no number that is simultaneously greater than 1 and negative.

(-∞, 0) U (1, ∞) means u < 0 or u > 1. The difference between "and" and "or" here is very significant.
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Why does it say u<0?
See above
 
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Hi Mark. OK, I generally understand the idea, except for why you would do 2) in the first place. The sign is > not <, so why did you do both? Thanks.
Because if a*b > 0, either both numbers have to be positive or both have to be negative. For example (-2)(-4) = + 8.
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EDIT: I believe I understand the process now.
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/Alg/SolvePolyInequalities.aspx is very helpful.
 
Alright, so what you have here Is fun.
in fact when you open the parentheses you will get: u2 - u > 0.

Now to know when that happends you can simply solve what it should look like.
since the u^2 has a positive feature you can infer it will be a "smiling" parabule.
and you can clearly see the u(u-1) You can easly infere that the whole equation will equel zero at u=0 or u=-1

look at wolf ram alpha and see the discription fits.

After this you need to look at where the Y axis (the actual u(u-1)) is larger then 0.
You will find it does at numbers higher then 1 or lower then 0.

You're approax is deviding it into 2 separate the inequalities and I believe this way is easier and quicker.

Tell me if I am unclear.
 
@ Spring. I figured it out already thanks to the link posted above. I appreciate the reply though!
 

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