First Evidence of New Physics in b <-> s Transitions

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The discussion revolves around the implications of recent findings related to b <--> s transitions, particularly in the context of potential new physics beyond the Standard Model. Participants explore the significance of these findings for various theoretical frameworks, including the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model (MSSM) and R-parity violation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an arXiv paper suggesting that the phase of the Bs mixing amplitude deviates more than 3 sigma from the Standard Model prediction, indicating potential new physics.
  • Another participant notes the importance of this process to the MSSM and highlights a significant change in predictions from above to below the Standard Model, suggesting a critical development.
  • There is a question raised about whether the findings disfavor Minimal Flavor Violation models, indicating a potential conflict with earlier assumptions.
  • A new paper is mentioned that introduces R-parity violation to explain observed excesses in Bs and Ds->lnu decays, raising questions about the implications for dark matter candidates in SUSY models.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the stability of the lightest supersymmetric particle if neutralinos are unstable, prompting further discussion on the nature of decay products under R-parity violation.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the findings for Minimal Flavor Violation and SUSY models. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the results or their impact on theoretical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various arXiv papers, indicating a reliance on ongoing research and the evolving nature of the discussion. The implications of R-parity violation and the status of dark matter candidates remain unresolved.

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First Evidence of New Physics in b <--> s Transitions

Hi,

please look at the following arXiv :

http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.0659

First Evidence of New Physics in b <--> s Transitions
Authors: UTfit Collaboration: M. Bona, M. Ciuchini, E. Franco, V. Lubicz, G. Martinelli, F. Parodi, M. Pierini, P. Roudeau, C. Schiavi, L. Silvestrini, V. Sordini, A. Stocchi, V. Vagnoni
(Submitted on 5 Mar 2008)
Abstract: We combine all the available experimental information on Bs mixing, including the very recent tagged analyses of Bs to J/Psi phi by the CDF and D0 collaborations. We find that the phase of the Bs mixing amplitude deviates more than 3 sigma from the Standard Model prediction. While no single measurement has a 3 sigma significance yet, all the constraints show a remarkable agreement with the combined result. This is a first evidence of physics beyond the Standard Model. This result disfavours New Physics models with Minimal Flavour Violation with the same significance.
 
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Hello,

BenTheMan said:
Yeah I saw this. This is a very important process to the MSSM, and the fact that it changed last summer (from above the SM prediction to below it) is also pretty crucial.

Check out the MSSM weather forcast papers, too.
http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.0487
http://arxiv.org/abs/0705.2012

but what you describe, isn't it Minimal Flavor Violation which seems disfavored by this measurement ?
 
There is a new ph paper on this Bs excess related to SUSY :
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0803/0803.1898v1.pdf
In this paper, they introduce R-parity violation to explain both Bs and Ds->lnu excess. The only problem now I guess is that SUSY has no more any dark matter candidate ?
They say neutralino decays to mucb.
 
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Barmecides said:
There is a new ph paper on this Bs excess related to SUSY :
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0803/0803.1898v1.pdf
In this paper, they introduce R-parity violation to explain both Bs and Ds->lnu excess. The only problem now I guess is that SUSY has no more any dark matter candidate ?
They say neutralino decays to mucb.

But the lightest supersymmetric particle is absolutely stable, isn't? So if the neutralino is unstable what does it decay into?
 
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kdv said:
But the lightest supersymmetric particle is absolutely stable, isn't?

Not if R-parity is violated.
 

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