First Order Differential Equation with Reflected Argument

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation involving a reflected argument, specifically the equation (x + 1 + f(-x))(1 - f'(x)) = x + 1, with the initial condition f(0) = x_0, where x is in the interval (-1, 1). Participants explore both numerical and analytical methods to find a solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks an analytic method to solve the equation after failing with numerical approximations.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating (x + 1 + f(-x)) to consider the implications of the chain rule.
  • A participant proposes a substitution y(x) = x + 1 + f(-x) and derives y'(x) = 1 - f'(-x), but struggles to connect this to the original equation.
  • There is a suggestion to explore assumptions about y(-x), such as y(-x) = -y(x) or y(-x) = y(x), to see if they lead to a consistent solution.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the viability of these assumptions based on numerical results and considers using cross-correlation and Laplace transforms, although they find this approach complicated.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of treating f(x) as separate functions for x > 0 and x < 0, leading to a second-order equation, but the participant is uncertain about its usefulness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a method to solve the equation, and multiple competing approaches and assumptions are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem, including the challenges of handling the reflected argument and the implications of various substitutions and assumptions. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on the definitions of the functions involved.

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I am trying to solve:

(x + 1 + f(-x) )(1 - f ' (x) ) = x+1
f(0) = x_0
x in (-1,1)

I approximated it numerically but any analytic method I try fails. Any ideas?
 
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Hint: What do you get if you differentiate (x + 1 + f(-x) )? It should make you think of the chain rule.
 
Ok, so I can make a substitution:

y(x) = x + 1 + f(-x). Then

y ' (x) = 1 - f ' (-x).

I don't see where to go from there, since y ' (x) does not appear in the original equation. However

y ' (-x) = 1 - f ' (x) does appear in the original equation. If i make that substitution I get

y(x) * y ' (-x) = x+1

But I still do now know how to solve that. Is my reasoning correct so far?
 
Hmm.. yes I was too quick - I thought the minus sign would not be a problem.
However, you can at least try making an assumption about y(-x) and see if it produces a solution consistent with the assumption. I.e., try y(-x) = - y(x), then try y(-x) = y(x).
 
Judging from the numeric approximation, neither of those seem to be the case. I will try it and see what happens though.

I have tried many things. One thing I was considering was to use the cross correlation of f(x) with a conveniently chosen function, make a substitution, and use the Laplace transform to force the negative sign inside, then hope the inverse Laplace transform works out. That sounds really horribly complicated though.

I have tried a series solution but it did not seem to result in anything worthwhile.

Perhaps a solution does not exist.
 
I finaly realized that f(x) might as well be separate functions for x> 0 and x < 0. so write g( x) = f(-x). obtain (1-x+f(x))(-g'(x)) = 1-x by swapping sign of x. Write orig equation as g(x) = expression in x and f'(x), then differentiate that to obtain expression for g'(x) and substitute in above. Now have 2nd ord (nasty) equation in only f and x. Not sure it helps much though.
 

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