Fluid Density Activity: Non-Sticky, Safe, and Cheap

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a safe, inexpensive fluid denser than water for an educational activity focused on fluid density. Participants explore alternatives to traditional fluids like corn syrup and honey, considering various properties such as safety, density, and viscosity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a safe and cheap fluid denser than water, expressing frustration with the messiness of corn syrup.
  • Another participant suggests organic halides like chloroform and carbon tetrachloride, noting their densities but also their hazardous nature.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for high school student safety, questioning the suitability of suggested fluids.
  • Glycerine is proposed as a potential alternative, though its sweetness raises safety concerns.
  • Several high-density liquids are listed, including dichloromethane, chloroform, and various aqueous solutions of metal salts, with notes on their toxicity levels.
  • One participant mentions modeling the salinity of bodies of water like the Dead Sea as part of the activity.
  • A humorous remark is made about the appeal of lithium heteropolytungstate as a drink, highlighting the lighter tone of the discussion.
  • A water-based solution of metal salts is suggested, with an acknowledgment of potential toxicity and a tongue-in-cheek comment about its effect on the gene pool.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the safety and suitability of various fluids, with no consensus on a single best option. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ideal fluid choice.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of finding non-toxic, high-density fluids that are also affordable and easily obtainable. The discussion reflects varying levels of concern regarding toxicity and safety for high school students.

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I'm writing an activity on fluid density. I'm looking for a safe, cheap fluid denser than water to explore density. The idea is to replace messy corn syrup or honey. It's a pain to clean syrup fluids out of the manometer. Were already doing simulated sea water. Any ideas?
 
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Hmm, how safe? How dense? When I think dense fluids with low viscosity, I mostly think of organic halides. E.g. chloroform and tet are both readily available and both have densities of about 1.5 kg/l, but they're also somewhat hazardous.

Glycol is safer and cheaper, but less dense and stickier.
 
High school.student safe
 
Just as an example, I'm pretty sure a student tasted the corn syrup because it smelled "heavenly"
 
flatmaster said:
Just as an example, I'm pretty sure a student tasted the corn syrup because it smelled "heavenly"

Well by that standard even glycol is out (since it happens to taste sweet)!
Glycerine perhaps?
 
Here are some interesting candidates for high-density solutions you might want to think about.

It's not trivial to find common, cheap, easily obtainable high-density liquids which aren't at least somewhat toxic compounds.

Dichloromethane: 1.33 g/cm3, slightly toxic.
Chloroform: 1.48 g/cm3, moderately toxic.
Carbon tetrachloride: 1.6 g/cm3; quite toxic.
Zinc iodide in aqueous solution: density ?, not significantly toxic.
Caesium formate aqueous solution: 2.3 g/cm3, not significantly toxic.
Lithium heteropolytungstate aqueous solution: 2.9 g/cm3; not significant toxic.
Bromoform: 2.9 g/cm3, slightly toxic.
Tetrabromoethane: 3 g/cm3, slightly toxic.
Diiodomethane: 3.33 g/cm3, moderately toxic.
Clerici solution: 4.25 g/cm3, very toxic.
 
Well, the overall activity is about sea water. I think I might model the current salinitu of the dead sea or the great salt lake. Besides, we already have a qualitative question about why one floats better in these bodies of water.
 
minerva said:
Lithium heteropolytungstate aqueous solution: 2.9 g/cm3; not significant toxic.

That sounds like an awesome drink, can I get one of those on the rocks with a little umbrella? :smile:
 
A water based solution of metal salts might work well:
copper sulfate
ferrous sulfate
calcium carbonate
some of these will be poisonous but that may help keep the gene pool in better shape.
 

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