Flying is impossible, so is timetravel.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of flight and time travel, exploring historical skepticism about flight and current beliefs regarding time travel's impossibility. Participants examine the implications of technological advancement, physical laws, and speculative possibilities within the realms of physics and engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that skepticism about flight in the 1800s was based on technological limitations, while others argue that time travel may be fundamentally prohibited by physical laws.
  • One participant mentions the grandfather paradox as a challenge to the possibility of time travel, suggesting that there may be loopholes yet to be discovered.
  • Another participant emphasizes that advancements in technology allowed for flight, while asserting that time travel has not been observed and may remain impossible under current physical laws.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions underlying claims of impossibility, with references to historical shifts in scientific understanding, such as the transition from Newtonian physics to Einstein's theories.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the validity of speculative arguments, questioning the purpose of discussing possibilities that contradict established physics.
  • There are discussions about the energy requirements for achieving near-light speed and the potential for warping space as a theoretical means of time travel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of views, with some agreeing on the historical context of flight skepticism while others maintain that time travel is fundamentally different and likely impossible. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of physical laws and the potential for future discoveries.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of historical scientific understanding and the implications of advancements in technology. Participants highlight the limitations of current knowledge and the speculative nature of future possibilities, particularly regarding time travel.

  • #61
zoobyshoe said:
Have you seen anyone tell anyone else they're smart here? I've been here since 2003 and have seen such a thing maybe two, or three times.

oh zooby, you're so smart!

And quantum, I swear I could chart your self-confidence on a sine-wave. It's like first you think you know time travel must be possible despite what physicists say even though they pretty much know the ins and outs of the universe then you say you're worthless and wrong on everything then back to saying 'everyone says I am smart so i must be smart' and right back down to 'my iq is horrible, I am stupid, i want to kill myself'

I'm going to say something that may just be an utter shock to you and blow your mind away... so be prepared! Ready? Here we go. Open up a textbook! Yes! It is that simple! You wan't proven answers? There in paperback! (ok well there not really in paperback because those aren't easy to handle for us) Want to know why people don't think time travel is possible? The answers are out there! Proof and all! It's like you're asking us for a way to convert your hard work into some sort of accepted paper form usable around the country and we're pointing you right to the mint!
 
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  • #62
Pengwuino said:
oh zooby, you're so smart!

And quantum, I swear I could chart your self-confidence on a sine-wave. It's like first you think you know time travel must be possible despite what physicists say even though they pretty much know the ins and outs of the universe then you say you're worthless and wrong on everything then back to saying 'everyone says I am smart so i must be smart' and right back down to 'my iq is horrible, I am stupid, i want to kill myself'

I'm going to say something that may just be an utter shock to you and blow your mind away... so be prepared! Ready? Here we go. Open up a textbook! Yes! It is that simple! You wan't proven answers? There in paperback! (ok well there not really in paperback because those aren't easy to handle for us) Want to know why people don't think time travel is possible? The answers are out there! Proof and all! It's like you're asking us for a way to convert your hard work into some sort of accepted paper form usable around the country and we're pointing you right to the mint!

Mind you, I HAVE. Heh, what's your problem? It doesn't shock me! I've read "A briefer history of time" by Stephen hawkings, as well as his first ones. He does say it is theortically possible, and we will never know because there is no way to know if we have met a time traveller.

Most scientist believe it may be theortically possible, but it is not pratical.
 
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  • #63
QuantumTheory said:
Mind you, I HAVE. Heh, what's your problem? It doesn't shock me! I've read "A briefer history of time" by Stephen hawkings, as well as his first ones. He does say it is theortically possible, and we will never know because there is no way to know if we have met a time traveller.

Most scientist believe it may be theortically possible, but it is not pratical.

That is not by any means a textbook as far as I can remember. And no, most physicists do not believe it is possible, have you not taken in anything anyone has told you in this thread?
 
  • #64
Pengwuino said:
That is not by any means a textbook as far as I can remember. And no, most physicists do not believe it is possible, have you not taken in anything anyone has told you in this thread?

HELLO? Do you NOT UNDERSTAND I said STephen hawking wrote it?? Are you trying to prove, this man, a genius, one of the best scientist of all time, is wrong??

What the heck? Do you believe because it WASNT FULL OF EQUATIONS, it's wrong?

I also JUST TOLD YOU, it is probably THEORTICLALY POSSIBLE, general relativity allows it. But it is NOT PRACTICAL. Do you understand? FOr the love of god, just spare me from this torture. You people are ridiculous.

Here, I'll say it:
I AM WRONG WITH EVERYTHING I SAY
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT (Which means when I do state my opinion, whether it be right or wrong, I will ONLY get critism, and not constructive critism either)
THIS IS *DEFINITELY* NOT THE NICEST FORUM. Here, I'll define the word for you, since you people are sooooo stubborn:
Indisputable; certain: a definite victory.
Yes, you sure do like 'victories' don't you? In your little mind, a victory is when you try to disprove, flame, harass, and otherwise insult a 17 year old. Grow up, get a life (Yes, I said that. I have a life, quitting this forum, and doing something in the real world, unlike you, who spend all your time on a stupid forum.) learn physics or something. Read a book, like I do.

Go ahead, 'warn me ' again for speaking in another language. Whooooaah. That's amazing, I can't speak in japanese (something nice) but other people can speak chinese or latin and get in no trouble.

Honestly, I don't care. You can go ahead and say I'm arrogant, whatever, I am just PISSED OFF of you stupid, arrogant, egostitical people. Sure, I've gotten lots of GREAT ADVICE in the past, and GREAT consructive critims (Which is wonderful, I like it) but WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much crap, and harassment. I can play complex music by ear? What do I get? "You're not talented, ANYONE can do this." This is complete bullcrap. Not everyone can do this! When I ask for advice, what do I get ? "You belong in a remedial high school at best." That's a high school for DUMMIES, IDIOTS you people! You think I'm an iidiot? I doubt an idiot would be interestd in tihs forum, even.


Here's the word stubborn for you:
Characterized by perseverance; persistent.

Yes, you are so persistant, that you are driving me nuts, crazy. I don't ned you people. In fact, get this, people on the playstation forum (Yes, most people there are only in middle school) are more MATURE than you sick minded people. That is sad. Yes, I know this is a flat out insult, etc, but you've done this to me MANY times, and I've tried to explain this to you many times (and others) in a rational, reasonable way. In fact, my mom has even written posts for me, yet I was still critized, very unfairly. This is not to say I won't receive critism, or harassment, of course I will. I UNDERSTAND THIS. But I shouldn't receieve harassment, insultment, this much.


And now, some japaense, since I CANNOT SPEAK A FOREIGN LANGUAGE HERE MR.MENTOR WHO DOESNT LIKE TO TELL ME WHY I CAN'T, AND DOESN'T STAte it in the GUIDELINES EITHER.

watashi wa wakarimasen. Yes, that is "I don't understand." Why? "Shirimasen." I DONT KNOW.

I shouldn't have to understand you people, you may be smart, but there are different levels of smart. 90% of you people are smart one way; analyitcal. You know alota bout philopshy, science, etc. But when it comes to people, you treat them like crap, at least me, and many others. Surely, you aren't smart.


I should also mention the ridiculous rules ont his forum:
1) If I post in the wrong topic, I get warned, which eventually means banned
2) If I use all caps, at all, You get warned
3) If I speak in another language, albeit it nice or not, I get warned. (Others dont)
4) The list goes on and on

Ludacris.
 
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  • #65
Relax and stop being so dramatic?
There have been plenty of people who have been nice to you and you only focus on the people who haven't been so nice or you believe haven't been so nice. It happens, get over it. Converse with the nice people and quite allowing others to goad you or just take it elsewhere.
 
  • #66
TheStatutoryApe said:
Relax and stop being so dramatic?
There have been plenty of people who have been nice to you and you only focus on the people who haven't been so nice or you believe haven't been so nice. It happens, get over it. Converse with the nice people and quite allowing others to goad you or just take it elsewhere.


Sorry, i just couldn't handle it anymore. My mom also agrees with me, as well as my dad and everyone else. There has been many heplful people (I just mentioned this), and YOU, my friend, are indeed very helpful. I appreciate your help!

I will just Shut the hell up, and go study my algebra story book. I don't need this forum.
 
  • #67
QuantumTheory said:
Grow up, get a life. (Yes, I said that. I have a life, quitting this forum, and doing something in the real world, unlike you, who spend all your time on a stupid forum.) Learn physics or something. Read a book, like I do.

Well. That's cute.
 

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