Formation Rate of Planetary Systems in the Universe

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The discussion revolves around estimating the formation rate of planetary systems in the universe, particularly focusing on the assumptions regarding star formation rates and the fraction of stars with detected extrasolar planets. Participants are exploring how to apply these assumptions to calculate the frequency of planetary system formation both in the Milky Way and across the observable universe.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the methodology for estimating the formation rate of planetary systems, questioning why the same approach used for the first part of the problem cannot be applied to the second part. There are also concerns about the validity of the numbers being calculated, with some expressing confusion over the results they are obtaining.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have expressed frustration with the results they are getting, while others are encouraging them to show their working to clarify their thought processes. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or outcome.

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Participants note the variability in star lifetimes, with some stars living significantly shorter or longer than the assumed 10 billion years, which may affect the calculations being discussed.

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Hey guys so I'm kind of stuck on the second part of this question, here it is.

It’s possible to make a rough estimate of how often planetary systems form by making some basic assumptions. For example, if you assume that the stars we see have been born at random times over the last 10 billion years, then the rate of star formation is simply the number of stars we see divided by 10 billion years. The fraction of stars with detected extrasolar planets is at least 5%, so this factor can be multiplied into find the approximate rate of formation of planetary systems.


1. Using these assumptions, how often does a planetary system form in our galaxy? (Our galaxy contains at least 100 billion stars.)

answer was 2 year/planetary systems

2. How often does a planetary system form somewhere in the observable universe, which contains at least 100 billion galaxies?

(In seconds between planetary systems being born)

Need help with this second part, thanks!
 
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oldspice1212 said:
Hey guys so I'm kind of stuck on the second part of this question, here it is.

It’s possible to make a rough estimate of how often planetary systems form by making some basic assumptions. For example, if you assume that the stars we see have been born at random times over the last 10 billion years, then the rate of star formation is simply the number of stars we see divided by 10 billion years. The fraction of stars with detected extrasolar planets is at least 5 , so this factor can be multiplied into find the approximate rate of formation of planetary systems.


1. Using these assumptions, how often does a planetary system form in our galaxy? (Our galaxy contains at least 100 billion stars.)

answer was 2 year/planetary systems

2. How often does a planetary system form somewhere in the observable universe, which contains at least 100 billion galaxies?

(In seconds between planetary systems being born)

Need help with this second part, thanks!
Many stars have lifetimes much much less than 10 billion years. For some the lifetime is just a few million years.

Others have lifetimes well in excess of 10 billion years. As much as six to twelve trillion years.
 
Well how did you do the first part?
Why can't you use the same method for the second part?
 
I keep getting some ridiculous number >.<
 
oldspice1212 said:
I keep getting some ridiculous number >.<
It might be astonishing but not ridiculous. What do you get?
 
oldspice1212 said:
I keep getting some ridiculous number >.<
haruspex said:
It might be astonishing but not ridiculous. What do you get?
I agree - but also show your working/reasoning.
 

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