Is There a Formula for Unit Eigenvectors?

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The discussion centers on the existence of a formula for unit eigenvectors and the nature of eigenvectors in linear algebra. It clarifies that while eigenvectors can be normalized by dividing by their length, there is no straightforward formula to derive them from a matrix. The equation Ax=λx is highlighted as the fundamental relationship for finding eigenvectors, but the process is complex and lacks a simple plug-and-play solution. The conversation also addresses the misconception that the zero vector can be considered an eigenvector, emphasizing that eigenvectors must be non-zero. Ultimately, understanding eigenvectors requires a grasp of their definitions and the underlying mathematical principles.
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?? Take any eigenvector and divide by its length.
 
HallsofIvy said:
?? Take any eigenvector and divide by its length.

And which is the formula for the eigenvector?
 
^ What do you mean by that? A (right) eigenvector of A, x, is a (nonzero) solution to Ax=λx, and λ is the corresponding eigenvalue. Any vector fulfilling the condition can be divided by its length ||x||, so that the resulting vector is still an eigenvector, since the eigenvector is not the zero vector.

(EDIT: Ok, technically talking about ||x|| obviously means that we have to be able to define a norm, but I don't think that was the issue?)
 
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Again: which is the formula for the eigenvectors?
 
What's wrong with Ax=λx? Given A and λ, it can be used to (numerically or analytically) solve x.
 
Your original question was about unit eigenvectors and that is what I responded to. There are a number of ways of finding eigenvectors but there is no "formula" you can just plug numbers into. Finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors is one of the harder problems in Linear Algebra.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your original question was about unit eigenvectors and that is what I responded to. There are a number of ways of finding eigenvectors but there is no "formula" you can just plug numbers into. Finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors is one of the harder problems in Linear Algebra.

If I want to express an eigenvector like (cos(Θ), sin(Θ)), is this form good way of constraint the expression, so that Θ is function of eigenvalues?
 
By defition:

##A\vec{v} =\lambda \vec{v}##
##(A - \lambda I)\vec{v} = \vec{0}##

So any eigenvector ##\vec{v}## is:
##\vec{v} = (A - \lambda I)^{-1}\vec{0} = \vec{0}##
##\vec{v} = \vec{0}##

What is wrong?
 
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A square matrix M has an inverse iff |M|\neq0. To obtain the eigenvalues \lambda, you solve the equation |A-\lambda I|=0. In your post, you use the expression (A-\lambda I)^{-1}, which is meaningless, because the eigenvalues are exactly the values for which the inverse doesn't exist.
 
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Also, although the math used was wrong, the 0 vector really is technically an eigenvector of all matrices...it's the trivial eigenvector, with an ill-defined eigenvalue. A*0=lambda*0 for all A and all lambda.
 
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Matterwave said:
the 0 vector really is technically an eigenvector of all matrices...it's the trivial eigenvector, with an ill-defined eigenvalue. A*0=lambda*0 for all A and all lambda.

No, eigenvectors are defined to be non-zero vectors.

Definition: A scalar λ is called an eigenvalue of the n × n matrix A is there is a nontrivial solution x of Ax = λx. Such an x is called an eigenvector corresponding to the eigenvalue λ
http://www.math.harvard.edu/archive/20_spring_05/handouts/ch05_notes.pdf

Eigenvectors may not be equal to the zero vector.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Eigenvector.html

An eigenvector of a square matrix A is a non-zero vector v that ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalues_and_eigenvectors

The notion of the zero vector as a "trivial eigenvector with an ill-defined eigenvalue" doesn't have any practical (or even theoretical) value.
 
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Alright. Well, if it's right there in the definition, then looks like I was wrong. :)
 

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