Four spin 1/2 particles at the Vertices of tetrahedron

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy levels and degeneracy of four spin-1/2 particles arranged at the vertices of a tetrahedron. Participants explore the theoretical framework for understanding the coupling of spins and the representation theory relevant to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the existence of three energy levels at \( l=2, l=1, \) and \( l=0 \) and seeks guidance on finding the degeneracy of each level, mentioning a total of \( 2^4 \) states.
  • Another participant inquires about the representation theory of SU(2), suggesting its relevance to the discussion.
  • A participant expresses unfamiliarity with SU(2) but shows interest in an explanation.
  • There is a discussion on how two spin-1/2 particles couple to form triplet (spin 1) and singlet (spin 0) states, with one participant suggesting the use of tensor products for these states.
  • One participant describes the full space as the tensor product of four spin-1/2 states and outlines a method for decomposing these into different irreducible representations (irreps).
  • Another participant calculates the decomposition and arrives at a specific count of states for each energy level but is corrected regarding the inclusion of a singlet state.
  • It is noted that different copies of irreps may have different energies, and the tetrahedral symmetry could affect the energy levels without violating symmetry principles.
  • A clarification is made regarding the standard notation for the dimensionality of representations, contrasting it with the spin notation used earlier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct count of states and the implications of symmetry on energy levels. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact degeneracy and energy assignments of the states.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge missing assumptions and the potential for different energy levels among states of the same irrep, as well as the complexity introduced by the tetrahedral symmetry.

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For a tetrahedron with four spin (1/2) particles, I know there are three separate energy levels at $$l=2,l=1,and l=0$$. My question is how I would go about finding the degeneracy of each level. I know that the number of states must be $$2^4$$. Any clues on where to start would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
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Are you familiar with the representation theory of SU(2)?
 
Unfortunately not. It still be interested in your explanation though.
 
Are you familiar with how two spin-1/2 couple to form a triplet (spin 1) and a singlet (spin 0) state?
 
Yes I am. I know you can essentially form separate pairs, and hence two groups of spin 1 and spin 0 states. Would I just take a tensor product of these two states?
 
Your full space is the tensor product of four spin 1/2 states. You can split them into different irreps product by product. So first do two 1/2, then do another 1/2 with the results from the first two, then do another 1/2 with the results from the first three. This will give you the decomposition into different irreps.
 
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So $$ (1/2)\bigotimes(1/2)\bigotimes(1/2)\bigotimes(1/2)$$? When I work it out, I get $$2\bigoplus1\bigoplus1\bigoplus1\bigoplus0$$ which would give me 5 states for l=2, 9 for l=1, and 2 for l=0. Thanks!
 
Almost. You are missing a singlet state (5+9+1=15, which is not 16). Edit: I see now that you said two l=0, so I assume this was just an error in the writing of the direct sum.

Note that, in general, different copies of irreps may have different energies even if they correspond to the same irrep. For example, the singlet states could a priori have different energies without violating the tetrahedral symmetry.

It is also the case that the tetrahedral symmetry is just a subgroup of rotations. In general you should check that this restricted symmetry does not split the irreps further.

Also note that the standard notation is to use the dimensionality of the representation, not the spin, ie, ##2\otimes 2\otimes2\otimes 2 = 5\oplus 3\oplus 3 \oplus 3 \oplus 1 \oplus 1##.
 
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