Fredholm Integral Eqn of the 2nd kind

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to a homogeneous boundary value problem (BVP) involving a second-order differential equation with an integral term. Participants explore methods for solving the equation and the nature of its solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the BVP given by the equation \(\frac{d^2}{dt^2}x(t)+\int^{\pi}_{-\pi}\sin(t-s)x(s)ds=0\) and hopes that the only solution is the zero solution.
  • Another participant claims that the zero solution is not the only solution and provides a specific form of the solution involving constants \(A\) and \(B\).
  • A question is raised regarding the method used to derive the solution, specifically whether it involved guessing the solution or using a Fourier series expansion.
  • One participant challenges the classification of the problem as a BVP, suggesting it could be treated as an initial value problem (IVP) and presents an alternative formulation of the equation with separable kernels.
  • The original poster clarifies that they are indeed dealing with a BVP due to the specified boundary conditions \(x(-\pi)=0\) and \(x(\pi)=0\), and expresses uncertainty about applying the method suggested by the other participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the problem (BVP vs. IVP) and the methods applicable for finding solutions. There are competing views on the existence of solutions beyond the zero solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of boundary and initial value problems, as well as the unresolved nature of the methods proposed for finding solutions.

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Hi,

I need help finding the solution to the homogenous BVP. Normally I could do this but I'm lost on this one. [tex]\frac{d^2}{dt^2}x(t)+\int^{\pi}_{-\pi}\sin(t-s)x(s)ds=0[/tex]. I'm hoping the only solution is the zero solution. If not, I need to know a method to find all solutions. I thought about using the Neumann series but the [tex]\frac{d^2}{dt^2}x(t)[/tex] is messing me up. I don't know what to do. Any help will be appreciated
 
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it's not the only solution.

Anything of the form
[tex]x(t) = A \left( \cos(t) + \pi \sin(t) - \frac{(1 + \pi^2)t}{2 \pi} \right) + B[/tex]
works.

as for all of the solutions, can't help there.

i got the one above by taking two more [itex]t[/itex] derivatives.
 
Ok thanks. One question you said you got the solution by taking two l derivatives. Of what exactly. Did you guess at the solution, then checked to see if it worked by taking two derivatives. Or did you used a Fourier series expansion?
 
I don't understand why you're calling it a boundary value problem but if it was an IVP, then the kernel is separable:

[tex]\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}+\sin(t)\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \cos(s) x(s) ds-\cos(t)\int_{-\pi}^{\pi} \sin(s) x(s)dx=0[/tex]

and:

[tex]\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}=\beta \cos(t)-\alpha \sin(t)[/tex]

since the integrals represent constants.

If I then integrate twice from 0 to t and let [itex]x(0)=x_0[/itex] and [itex]x'(0)=x_1[/itex] then back-substitute into the expressions for [itex]\alpha[/itex] and [itex]\beta[/itex], I get:

[tex]x(t)=\frac{2\pi^2\left(\sin(t)-t\right) x_1}{1+\pi^2}-\frac{2\pi \cos(t) x_1}{1+\pi^2}+t x_1+x_0+\frac{2\pi x_1}{1+\pi^2}[/tex]

This is called the "direct computation method" in "A First Course in Integral Equations" by A. Wazwaz
 
It's an BVP since I have boundary conditions. x(-\pi)=0 and x(\pi)=0. I don't know anything about initial conditions. So I don't think I can do what you did.
 

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