Free-body diagrams and Newton's laws with a suspended chain

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The problem involves a chain of three rings, each with a mass of 0.25 kg, suspended from a massless rope with an upward pulling force of 9 N. The objective is to determine the values of unknowns related to the forces and accelerations acting on the rings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about assuming that the acceleration of each ring is the same as that of the entire chain. They question the underlying principle of this assumption. Other participants suggest assigning variables to the heights of the rings and exploring the relationships between these variables through differentiation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the heights of the rings and their respective accelerations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the differentiation of height relationships, and there is an acknowledgment of a potential understanding of the acceleration equivalence among the rings.

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The discussion is constrained by the need to adhere to the assumptions of rigid bodies and the implications of those assumptions on the motion of the rings.

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Homework Statement


The chain comprising three rings (each of mass ##0.25kg##) is suspended from a massless rope, and a pulling force ##\left(F=9N\right)## is exerted upwards on the rope. Picture: http://i.imgur.com/xeaiBsc.jpg?1.

I need to find the values of all the unknowns.

Homework Equations


$$a:\ F_y=F_R +w_a=m_aa_a\\
b:\ F_y=F_R+w_b+F_{c,b} =m_ba_b\\
c:\ F_y=F_{b,c}+w_c+F_{d,c} =m_ca_c\\d:\ F_y=F_{c,d}+w_d =m_da_d$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to solve the problem without assuming that the acceleration of each ring is equivalent to the acceleration of the whole chain ##\left(a_a=a_b=a_c=a_d\right)##. However, I don't know the law/fact that hypothesis is a consequence of.
 
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Korisnik said:
I'm not sure how to solve the problem without assuming that the acceleration of each ring is equivalent to the acceleration of the whole chain ##\left(a_a=a_b=a_c=a_d\right)##. However, I don't know the law/fact that hypothesis is a consequence of.
Suppose you assign variables to the heights of the rings. Assuming they are rigid, what is the relationship between those variables? What do you get if you differentiate those relationships?
 
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haruspex said:
Suppose you assign variables to the heights of the rings. Assuming they are rigid, what is the relationship between those variables? What do you get if you differentiate those relationships?
Hmm, I think I see what you're trying to say: let ##h_i## be height of body ##i## as a function of time, and ##\Delta h## a constant: then ##h_b=h_c+\Delta h##. Differentiating the equation $$\begin{align}\frac{\mathrm d{h_b}}{\mathrm d{t}}&=\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d{t}}(h_c+\Delta h)\\ &\Rightarrow v_b=v_c \\&\Rightarrow a_b=a_c.\end{align}$$Did I do it correctly?
 
Korisnik said:
Hmm, I think I see what you're trying to say: let ##h_i## be height of body ##i## as a function of time, and ##\Delta h## a constant: then ##h_b=h_c+\Delta h##. Differentiating the equation $$\begin{align}\frac{\mathrm d{h_b}}{\mathrm d{t}}&=\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm d{t}}(h_c+\Delta h)\\ &\Rightarrow v_b=v_c \\&\Rightarrow a_b=a_c.\end{align}$$Did I do it correctly?
Yes.
 
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