Frequency Spectrum of a Vibrating String

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The discussion revolves around the frequency spectrum of a vibrating string, focusing on the relationship between frequency, period, and natural frequency (eigenfrequencies). Participants explore mathematical expressions and concepts related to wave functions and resonance in physical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the period of a vibrating string is given by $\tau = \frac{2L}{c\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)}$, leading to a frequency of $f=\frac{1}{\tau}$.
  • Another participant confirms the relationship between frequency and period, expressing agreement with the derived period.
  • A different participant suggests finding the period of a sine function by setting $k\tau=2\pi$.
  • There is a discussion on the distinction between frequency and natural frequency (eigenfrequencies), with one participant explaining that natural frequency relates to resonance in systems like mass-spring setups.
  • One participant proposes that the eigenfrequencies can be expressed as $f_{n}=\frac{c\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)}{2L}$, indicating that multiple eigenfrequencies exist rather than a single one.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships between frequency and period, but there is no consensus on the definition and implications of natural frequency versus frequency, as well as the nature of eigenfrequencies.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of frequency and natural frequency remain unresolved, and the discussion does not clarify the implications of these terms in different contexts.

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Given $\sin\left[\frac{\pi ct}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right]$.

The period is $\tau = \frac{2L}{c\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)}$ so the frequency is $\frac{1}{\tau}$, correct?
 
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Yes:

$\displaystyle f=\frac{1}{\tau}$
 
MarkFL said:
Yes:

$\displaystyle f=\frac{1}{\tau}$

Is the period I obtained correct? Is that the yes or is the yes it is the reciprocal?
 
If you have a function $\sin(kt)$, find the period $\tau$ by setting $k\tau=2\pi$.
 
Sorry for being vague. :)

I agree with the period you found and with the relationship between frequency and period that you stated.

$\displaystyle \tau=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}$

In your case $\displaystyle \omega=\frac{\pi e}{L}\left(n+\frac{1}{2} \right)$

And so:

$\displaystyle \tau=\frac{2\pi}{ \frac{\pi e}{L} \left(n+ \frac{1}{2} \right)}= \frac{2L}{e\left(n+\frac{1}{2} \right)}$
 
Ackbach said:
If you have a function $\sin(kt)$, find the period $\tau$ by setting $k\tau=2\pi$.
Is there a difference between frequency and natural frequency (eigenfrequencies)?
 
dwsmith said:
Is there a difference between frequency and natural frequency (eigenfrequencies)?

The term "natural frequency" refers to resonance. So if you have a forced mass-spring system, e.g., and you tune the forcing function to the same frequency as a term in the homogeneous solution, you end up with unstable behavior.

The term "frequency" just refers to what's going on in this thread.

There's also the term "angular frequency", which is represented by $\omega=2\pi f$.

Hope that's as clear as mud.
 
Ackbach said:
The term "natural frequency" refers to resonance. So if you have a forced mass-spring system, e.g., and you tune the forcing function to the same frequency as a term in the homogeneous solution, you end up with unstable behavior.

The term "frequency" just refers to what's going on in this thread.

There's also the term "angular frequency", which is represented by $\omega=2\pi f$.

Hope that's as clear as mud.

I am trying to find the natural frequency (eigenfrequency) of $u$.
How would I do that then?
$$
u(x,t) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}\sin\left[\frac{\pi x}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right]\left\{A_n\cos\left[\frac{\pi ct}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right] + B_n\sin\left[\frac{\pi ct}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right]\right\}
$$
 
dwsmith said:
I am trying to find the natural frequency (eigenfrequency) of $u$.
How would I do that then?
$$
u(x,t) = \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}\sin\left[\frac{\pi x}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right]\left\{A_n\cos\left[\frac{\pi ct}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right] + B_n\sin\left[\frac{\pi ct}{L}\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)\right]\right\}
$$

Well, I could be wrong, but I would say that all of your
$$f_{n}=\frac{c\left(n + \frac{1}{2}\right)}{2L}$$
are the eigenfrequencies. I don't think there's one single eigenfrequency.
 

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