Galactic Black Holes: % & Types Explored

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The discussion centers around the prevalence and types of central black holes in galaxies, specifically focusing on supermassive black holes (SMBHs) and their formation in the early universe. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational limitations, and the nature of ancient galaxies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a very high percentage of galaxies are expected to harbor a supermassive black hole, referencing various sources.
  • Others express caution, noting that since only a small portion of the universe has been observed, it is uncertain whether all galaxies contain an SMBH.
  • A participant raises questions about the existence of SMBHs in ancient galaxies, particularly those formed shortly after the Big Bang.
  • Direct collapse black holes are proposed as a potential mechanism for the rapid formation of SMBHs in the early universe, with references to relevant research papers provided for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a significant number of galaxies likely contain SMBHs, but there is no consensus on the exact percentage or the implications for ancient galaxies. The discussion includes competing views on the mechanisms of black hole formation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in observational data and the dependence on theoretical models regarding black hole formation, particularly in the context of early galaxies.

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Hi,
what is the percentage of Galaxies where we expect a central black hole?
What type are those Galaxies?
Thanks!
 
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Wikipedia answers this with the first sentence of the article, including two references:
A supermassive black hole (SMBH) is the largest type of black hole, on the order of hundreds of thousands to billions of solar masses (M☉), and is found in the center of almost all massive galaxies.[1][2]
 
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mfb said:
Wikipedia answers this with the first sentence of the article, including two references:
This is the answer I expected. Can't say all galaxies since we have only observed a tiny portion of the universe. What if there was a galaxy out there that didn't have a super massive black hole? Time and more research will tell.
 
Chronos said:
The prevailing opinion is a very high percentage of galaxies harbor an SMBH. See http://brainlagoon.com/2014/04/06/does-every-galaxy-have-a-black-hole-at-the-center/ for f discussion
Thank you for providing that article, Chronos. I enjoyed the read. Do you believe or have knowledge of the structure of ancient galaxies? I can't imagine there being a black hole, let alone a SMBH at the center of the earliest known galaxies. I'm talking of galaxies a few hundred million years after the universe came into existence.
 
Direct collapse black holes remain a candidte possibility. Generally this scenario permits SMBH to form very rapidly in the early universe and anchor the formation of galaxies. You may find these papers of interest:http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0545, Did supermassive black holes form by direct collapse?; http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.1369here http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.1369, Supermassive Black Hole Formation at High Redshifts via Direct Collapse: Physical Processes in the Early Stage; and http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.5267, The First Billion Years project: birthplaces of direct collapse black hole
 
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Chronos said:
Direct collapse black holes remain a candidte possibility. Generally this scenario permits SMBH to form very rapidly in the early universe and anchor the formation of galaxies. You may find these papers of interest:http://arxiv.org/abs/0709.0545, Did supermassive black holes form by direct collapse?; http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.1369here http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.1369, Supermassive Black Hole Formation at High Redshifts via Direct Collapse: Physical Processes in the Early Stage; and http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.5267, The First Billion Years project: birthplaces of direct collapse black hole
Thank you for responding, Chronos, and thank you for providing these documents. I never thought of a black hole directly collapsing. I'll read these and find out for myself!
 
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