Galactic Habitable Zone Theory: A Physiologist's Inquiry

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The discussion centers around the concept of the galactic habitable zone theory, which suggests that life is more likely to exist in specific regions of a galaxy, particularly the Milky Way. Participants explore the implications of this theory for science fiction writing, questioning the boundaries and conditions that define such a zone.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the galactic habitable zone is often misunderstood, arguing that it implies complex life is more common in certain areas rather than suggesting life can only form in those areas.
  • Questions arise regarding the rationale behind the 10 kiloparsec outer boundary, with some participants suggesting it relates to factors such as supernova rates and metal abundance necessary for life.
  • Concerns are expressed about the dangers of residing in the spiral arms of the galaxy due to high rates of star formation and subsequent supernovae, while also noting the low metallicity of stars in the halo and the crowded conditions in the central bulge.
  • Several participants emphasize the speculative nature of the galactic habitable zone theory, comparing it to the already speculative stellar habitable zone theory and highlighting the limitations of drawing conclusions from a single sample point (Earth).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the galactic habitable zone theory, with no consensus reached on its boundaries or implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the theory and its applicability to science fiction.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of the galactic habitable zone concept, including its dependence on definitions and the speculative nature of the claims made, particularly given the lack of extensive observational data.

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I'm a physiologist, not in anyway well-versed in physics beyond what I took as a pre-medical student. Forgive any lapses in proper vocabulary or wording of my inquiries.

I have a question about the habitable zone theory. Not so much this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone in terms of an individual star and satellite but more so about the galaxy in general. What do you think of the galactic "habitable zone" theory that postulates life can really only exist in a narrow band of the galaxy. As wikipedia says, "the galactic habitable zone is the region of a galaxy in which life is most likely to develop [...] For the Milky Way this region is commonly believed to be an annulus with an outer radius of about 10 kiloparsecs and an inner radius close to the Galactic Center, both of which lack hard boundaries."

The reason I am asking is because I am writer of science fiction, and while I'm not qualified to write really hard sci-fi, I'd rather not create alien planets in regions of the galaxy that even amateur cosmologists will read about and promptly throw my writing into the trash.
 
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The whole Galaxy habitability zone is easy to take out of context. It doesn't suggest that life can only form in certain areas, but that complex life should be more common in certain locations within the galaxy.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0612316v1.pdf
 
I can understand an inner boundary, beause of the black hole at the center. However, where did the 10 kiloparsec outer boundary come from?
 
mathman said:
I can understand an inner boundary, beause of the black hole at the center. However, where did the 10 kiloparsec outer boundary come from?
SN explosions due to high rates of star formation in the spiral arms, and I guess disturbing of a systems Oort Cloud which just doesn't sound very convincing.

Then there is this http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2004GL021890/abstract
 
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cbrons said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_habitable_zone

an outer radius of about 10 kiloparsecs

The reason I am asking is because I am writer of science fiction, and while I'm not qualified to write really hard sci-fi, I'd rather not create alien planets in regions of the galaxy that even amateur cosmologists will read about and promptly throw my writing into the trash.

The solar system is roughly 10 kpc from center, as I recall. that would be a bit over 30,000 lightyears.
This source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Center says 8.3 kpc (or about 27,000 ly).

I wouldn't worry. It is not as well-defined a concept as the circumstellar hab zone.

What you want is stars and planets formed out of clouds that were enriched with heavier elements, not just H and He. But there are surely some of those out beyond 10 kPc
 
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mathman said:
I can understand an inner boundary, beause of the black hole at the center. However, where did the 10 kiloparsec outer boundary come from?
My guess would be it's all about metal abundance. You need a significant abundance of heavy elements for life to form, and that's only going to happen in regions where there are enough supernovae to form and disperse the heavy elements throughout the region.
 
Chalnoth said:
My guess would be it's all about metal abundance. You need a significant abundance of heavy elements for life to form, and that's only going to happen in regions where there are enough supernovae to form and disperse the heavy elements throughout the region.

I thought there would be higher amounts of heavy elements found in the spiral arms?
 
Student100 said:
I thought there would be higher amounts of heavy elements found in the spiral arms?

The spiral arms, being where the galaxy is most dense (the spirals are actually density fluctuations after all) are thus a center place for where new and active star formation forms. I've read that it's not desirable to live in the spiral arms themselves because of all this star formation, and therefore star death, which will lead to supernovae.

Of course it's also not good to be in the halo because those are all old stars with very low metalicity. The central bulge is filled with too many stars apparently. So the guess is to look in the disc of the galaxy, between the spiral arms, not too close to the enter. (realistically speaking, even our exo planet search is centered on such a pathetically small neighborhood of our sun that such considerations are basically moot.)

But really the whole galactic habitable zone theory is quite speculative. Even more so than the stellar habitable zone theory which is itself already speculative. With only one sample point so far, it's pretty hard, actually impossible, to draw any hard conclusions.
 

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