Gambling problem/ standard deviation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of statistical methods, particularly standard deviation and Chebyshev's inequality, to analyze data from online gambling sites. Participants explore how to interpret the relationship between expected winnings and actual outcomes in gambling scenarios.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving independent events in gambling, expressing a desire to prove potential unfair practices by analyzing the relationship between expected winnings (E) and actual winnings (R).
  • Another participant suggests normalizing the expected value (E) to zero and calculating the probability of actual winnings falling within a specified range using a cumulative distribution function (F), indicating that this method could apply to various distributions.
  • A later reply reiterates the previous suggestion about using the cumulative distribution function and provides an example using a uniform distribution to illustrate the calculation of a specific probability.
  • One participant mentions attempting to apply a weighted standard deviation approach but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to apply or the correctness of the approaches discussed. Multiple competing views and methods remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the distribution of R and the application of statistical methods, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Posted: May 23, 2007 4:57 AM
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I'm analyzing some data from online gambling sites.I'm trying to prove they are stealing the customers.
I'm not an expert in math ...just having "common sense" knowledge.

Here is the problem I need to solve:

I have a series of N independent event where I have a chance ( W ) to win some money ( P )

At the end of day my mathematical expectation is :
E= sum after i (W*P)

In reality I will have won R dollars after these N independe events.

If N is big then R and E should converge somehow.


Is it possible to apply here some Standard deviation/Chebyshev's inequality/Weighted standard deviation to get some statistical interpretation about this?

I would really like a formula that will say to me something like this:
There is a 80% chance that the possible values of R to be in (E-x,E+x) range.
 
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Assume R is distributed F (e.g. the normal distribution, even as an approximation). Normalize E = 0. Then you can calculate the probability R in (E-x, E+x) = (-x, x) as prob(-x,x) = 1 - 2F(-x). You can also solve for x* such that 1 - 2F(-x*) = 0.8.

F doesn't have to be the normal. This approach will work for other distributions as well.
 
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EnumaElish said:
Assume R is distributed F (e.g. the normal distribution, even as an approximation). Normalize E = 0. Then you can calculate the probability R in (E-x, E+x) = (-x, x) as prob(-x,x) = 1 - 2F(-x). You can also solve for x* such that 1 - 2F(-x*) = 0.8.

F doesn't have to be the normal. This approach will work for other distributions as well.

Thanks. I will try to apply what you said.

Until now I've tried to use http://www-minos.phyast.pitt.edu/disdocs/weightsd.pdf"

with the weights being W(i):
w(i)=W(i)

and x(i) to be the outcome at the moment t(i)
x(i) = {
0, if you loose
P(i),if you won
}but probable that's not good.
 
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Example:
F is the uniform dist. over [-1,1]. Then F(x) = (x+1)/2.

1 - 2F(-x*) = 1 - 2(-x*+1)/2 = 1 - (-x*+1) = 0.8 ===> x* = 0.8.
 

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