Geert Hofstede's 6-D model of national culture

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The discussion centers around the idea that individuals naturally believe their country is the best, a sentiment that can lead to unhappiness if not felt. This perspective was sparked by a quote from a Freakonomics podcast and led to an exploration of cultural differences using Hofstede's six dimensions of national culture. Participants noted significant cultural variations among countries like Sweden, Australia, the USA, and Malaysia, and expressed a desire for a non-partisan discussion on these insights. However, the conversation quickly shifted to a debate about nationalism and the implications of believing one’s country is superior. Some participants criticized this mindset as dangerous and a barrier to improvement, while others defended their national pride, particularly in relation to the USA's historical contributions. The discussion became contentious, with accusations of ignorance and political bias, ultimately leading to a warning that the thread may be closed due to its political nature.
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"But everybody, of course, instinctively feels and should feel that their country, or whatever their tribe is, is the best in the world. If you don’t feel that, then you will be an unhappy person."
That quote be true, yet we are so different. The quote is from a Freakonomics Podcast. That led me to the web site
https://geerthofstede.com/culture-geert-hofstede-gert-jan-hofstede/6d-model-of-national-culture/

I think that these cultural differences and the insights they provide are very interesting. For example, that Sweden is at the extreme in 4 of the 6 dimensions. Also, that Australia and the USA (and UK, Canada, and NZ) are much alike. Malaysia is like China in 3 dimensions, but very different in 3 dimensions. France and Germany also split 50% of the time. I hope that this data might stimulate non-volatile discussion on PF. If I'm wrong about that, the mentors will close this thread. No partisan politics or nationalism please.

On the web site you can find more detailed explanations and discussions. So if you have questions on the definitions or the data, go to the web site rather than post questions here. You can also download Hofstede's data for 111 countries here. I can also recommend listening to the whole podcast, for numerous clarifying examples of the meanings of the dimensions.

For purposes of PF discussion, I did the following.
  • I selected 12 interesting countries to compare.
  • I included the shortest versions of the definitions of the 6 dimensions.
  • I added arbitrary colors to make it easy to compare one country across the dimensions. For example, the bar for USA is red in all 6 graphs.
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"But everybody, of course, instinctively feels and should feel that their country, or whatever their tribe is, is the best in the world. If you don’t feel that, then you will be an unhappy person."


I call BS. I neither think PL to be the best in the world* nor I am an unhappy.

Actually thinking "your country is the best in the world" is one of the most dangerous things there are. That's what most nationalisms are built on.

*Reasonably good, but with plenty of things to improve. I don't plan on moving anywhere else, but that's a completely different thing.
 
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I have a completely opposite opinion. The American fetish to consider themselves as the best country in the world is in my mind the main obstacle to achieving any improvement at all. If you think you are best, then why even think about improvements? Happiness is not related to my view of my country.
 
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Borek said:
I call BS. I neither think PL to be the best in the world* nor I am an unhappy.

Actually thinking "your country is the best in the world" is one of the most dangerous things there are. That's what most nationalisms are built on.
I fully agree. There are indeed large groups who sees the world that way (it is certainly quite a common belief here in the UK) but it is certainly not universally true,. It also seems to imply a worldview where everything is a competition and being "the best" is for whatever reason really important; to me that just sounds exhausting....
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Hofstede

fresh_42 said:
I have a completely opposite opinion. The American fetish to consider themselves as the best country in the world is in my mind the main obstacle to achieving any improvement at all. If you think you are best, then why even think about improvements? Happiness is not related to my view of my country.
I consider the USA as the best country in the world: Europe is still "in debt", grateful with America for rescue from First and Second World Wars. That's my opinion.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_HofstedeI consider the USA as the best country in the world: Europe is still "in debt", grateful with America for rescue from First and Second World Wars. That's my opinion.
Yes, you are probably an American. This view is lazy. It prevents you from reflecting. I prefer an unarmed society, free education, and universal healthcare. That is my opinion.

Concerning the wars, well, that is also an ignorant, propagandistic, and wrong view of the world. American warfare and its reasons fill volumes, not a single line. Lookup Lusitania, or weapons of mass destruction. It is not as easy as you want to make-believe. And I am pretty sure that we are not fully informed to make such a decision on our own.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
I consider the USA as the best country in the world

 
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fresh_42 said:
This view is lazy. It prevents you from reflecting. I prefer an unarmed society, free education, and universal healthcare. That is my opinion.
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What nonsense! And you want to discuss philosophy with such a poor understanding of logic?

This thread will be closed. It is inherently political. And we have already intolerance and Godwin's law in post number eight!
 
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