Geocaching: Solve a+b=c c/b=b/a Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem related to proportions in a geocaching context, specifically focusing on the relationship between distances AB, BC, and AC. Participants explore the equations derived from these relationships and seek to understand the underlying mathematics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving distances and proportions, leading to the equations a + b = c and c/b = b/a.
  • Another participant questions the ability to determine actual distances from proportions alone.
  • Several mathematical relationships are proposed, including alternative forms of the original equations and a specific expression for a in terms of b.
  • A request is made for simplification of the equations to solve for b, with confusion expressed regarding the appearance of the term involving $\sqrt{5}$.
  • One participant suggests using the Quadratic Formula to demonstrate the solution process, indicating multiple methods may exist for simplification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships established by the equations but do not reach a consensus on the ability to derive actual distances or the specific simplifications requested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the simplification process and the origin of certain terms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in deriving specific values from proportional relationships without additional information. The mathematical steps involved in simplifications and the derivation of terms like $\sqrt{5}$ are not fully resolved.

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I love geocaching and a problem that recently came up is:

A--------------B------------C (not to scale)

Find the distance of AB if the proportion of AC:BC is equal to BC:AB. Substituting a for AB, b for BC and c for AC, I come up with:

a+b=c where c/b=b/a

I'm at a loss here. When I put it in WA it comes up with the answer (although looking at the answer, I have no idea how it calculated it) and I was able to "brute force" my answer as well and get the right answer (thanks Excel) but I want to know the math behind it. The actual values are irrelevant as I want to get to the simplified formulas.
 
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Surely, you realize that you can't determine the actual distance from A to B knowing only proportions?

What, exactly, did you put into WA?
 
You have relationships. Without actual values, that's all you have.

c = a+b -- good

c/b = b/a -- good

You could also write $\dfrac{a+b}{b} = \dfrac{b}{a}$

You could also write $a^{2}+ab = b^{2}$

You could also write $(a-b)^{2} = ab$

You could also write: $a = \dfrac{b}{2}(\sqrt{5}-1)$

Which simplified formulas would you like?
 
tkhunny said:
You have relationships. Without actual values, that's all you have.

c = a+b -- good

c/b = b/a -- good

You could also write $\dfrac{a+b}{b} = \dfrac{b}{a}$

You could also write $a^{2}+ab = b^{2}$

You could also write $(a-b)^{2} = ab$

You could also write: $a = \dfrac{b}{2}(\sqrt{5}-1)$

Which simplified formulas would you like?

Can you simplify for b please and show the work? I don’t know where the $\sqrt{5}$ comes from.
 
TheCricketer said:
Can you simplify for b please and show the work? I don’t know where the $\sqrt{5}$ comes from.

This is where you get to demonstrate your love of mathematics. I used the Quadratic Formula with the expression immediately above. There are a few other ways to do it. Show your work!
 

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