Geodesics in Modified Euclidean Spaces: Is There a General Statement?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of geodesics in a modified Euclidean space characterized by a metric tensor of the form \(\lambda(x) \cdot I\), where \(I\) is the identity matrix. Participants explore whether general statements can be made about geodesics in this context, considering both theoretical implications and specific examples.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether geodesics in this modified space are simply lines, suggesting that the space may not be curved.
  • Another participant references a source indicating that geodesics in certain modified metric spaces, such as the hyperbolic plane, are not lines, prompting curiosity about the relationship between geodesics and the function \(\lambda(x)\).
  • There is a mention of the metric tensor defining a Riemannian geometry that is conformally related to Euclidean geometry, with a participant expressing a belief that this space has special properties.
  • A participant introduces the concept of "conformally flat" in relation to the metric tensor but admits to having more knowledge about the Lorentzian case than the Riemannian case.
  • Another participant discusses the definition of geodesics in a manifold as curves with zero acceleration, referencing the Euclidean connection and the conditions for parametrizing curves by arc-length.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the assumptions being made in the discussion, particularly in relation to the use of the Euclidean connection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether geodesics in the modified space can be considered lines, with some asserting that they are not, while others suggest they might be. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general properties of geodesics in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the nature of the metric tensor and the conditions under which geodesics are defined. The relationship between the function \(\lambda(x)\) and the geodesics is not fully explored, leaving open questions about the implications of the metric's form.

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Hi there:

i have a question on geodesics in a Eculidean space equipped with a metric tensor \lambda(x)*I, where I is the identity matrix. Is any general statement that can be made towards the geodesic between two points in this modified space?

My feel is that this space is quite special and should have some good properties but don't know how to address it.

Thanks for any suggestion!
 
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Aren't the geodesics just lines in that case? Incidentally, I don't think that space is curved.
 
hi, why do you think geodesics are lines?

According to Theodore Shifrin's book on line pp.86, for hyperbolic plane (u,v) equipped with metric tensor 1/v^2*I, the geodesics are not lines.

I was just curious if any analytic relation between the geodesics and the lambda(x) function can be made (except for the PDE thing).

I agree, it should not be called 'curved'.

Thanks for your reply.
 
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I thought $\lambda$ was constant here
 
Providing a buzzword

ledol83 said:
i have a question on geodesics in a Eculidean space equipped with a metric tensor

of form g_{ab} = \lambda \, \eta_{ab}, where \lambda is a scalar functon and where \eta_{ab} is the metric tensor of Euclidean three-space, which in a Cartesian chart will appear as

ledol83 said:
the identity matrix. Is any general statement that can be made towards the geodesic between two points in this modified space?

Such a metric tensor is said to define a Riemannian geometry which is conformally related to Euclidean geometry.

ledol83 said:
My feel is that this space is quite special and should have some good properties but don't know how to address it.

It is, but I know more about the Lorentzian case than the Riemannian case so I'll limit myself to mentioning the buzzword "conformally flat".
 
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thanks for your reply.
 
Admin question, Please suggest: I have access to Sci-Workplace. If I wrote answers
in SW and pasted them here, would the program read it effectively?.Again, sorry
for not knowing to use Tex yet.


DeadWolfe said:
Aren't the geodesics just lines in that case? Incidentally, I don't think that space is curved.

I don't know what assumption we may be making here, but one way of seeing it
(tho, I admit, I think I am missing an assumption here to have a full response)
is that a geodesic in a manifold is a curve with acceleration 0, i.e, a curve whose
covariant derivative is 0, and, using the Euclidean connection , lines, when
parametrized by arc-length, have second derivative zero, i.e, acceleration
zero (d^2/ds^2=d/ds(d/ds)=0 , means derivative of velocity with resp. to
arc-length is zero, i.e, acc. is zero):

Write your line in terms of arc-length (any curve, with few conditions
can be parametrized by arc-length)

L(s)=x_1=a_1+b_1s...x_n=a_n+b_1s , Sum(b_i)^2=1 (bcse. of arc-length par.)

It follows that d^L(s)/ds^2==0


The doubt I have is where we are making use of the Euclidean connection
in here. (which I think is the only connection that is compatible with the
metric dx^2+dy^2 and has zero torsion, i.e, the only Levy-Cine-Cita
connection. I will try to prove this and get back )
 

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