Geometric Proof: Proving Independence of DE + DF in Isosceles Triangle ABC

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The problem involves proving that the sum of the lengths DE and DF in an isosceles triangle ABC is independent of the location of point D on side BC. The triangle has equal sides AB and AC, with DE and DF being perpendicular to AB and AC, respectively.

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of demonstrating the independence of DE + DF by considering different positions of D. Some express skepticism about the claim, questioning whether the lengths can truly remain constant regardless of D's position.

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There is an active exploration of the problem, with some participants suggesting geometric constructions and others questioning the validity of the original claim. A mix of perspectives is present, with some participants asserting that the relationship holds true while others express confusion and seek clarification.

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Participants note constraints related to the use of certain geometric theorems, particularly those involving parallel lines, which may affect the approaches considered in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


In triangle ABC, AB = AC, and D,E,F are points on the interiors of sides BC,AB,AC respectively, such that DE perpendicular to AB and DF perpendicular to AC. Prove that the value of DE + DF is independent of the location of D


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So far we have all the tools of neutral geometry and non neutral parallelism. We have not covered similarity yet


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok so I guess a good approach would be to consider triangle ABC with D in one location and then another and show there is no change in DE + DF. However I do not have a clue in how to proceed with this. Tried using the fact that triangle ABC is isosceles therefore the base angles are equal, but don't really know where to go with that either
 
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DotKite said:
In triangle ABC, AB = AC, and D,E,F are points on the interiors of sides BC,AB,AC respectively, such that DE perpendicular to AB and DF perpendicular to AC. Prove that the value of DE + DF is independent of the location of D

I don't think that's true.

Suppose D is either B or the midpoint of BC.

Then the perpendicular from B to AC would have to be twice the perpendicular from that midpoint.

But it isn't, is it? :confused:
 
tiny-tim said:
I don't think that's true.

Suppose D is either B or the midpoint of BC.

Then the perpendicular from B to AC would have to be twice the perpendicular from that midpoint.

But it isn't, is it? :confused:

Yes, I think it is. Draw the midline parallel to AC. It will bisect BF.

[Edit, added]: It's true alright, and easy enough to prove analytically. The sum of DE and DF comes out equal to the length of the base divided by the length of one of the equal legs, independent of the location of D. Not that any of this helps the OP. :frown:
 
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@OP, can you post a picture it will truly help.
 
LCKurtz said:
Yes, I think it is. Draw the midline parallel to AC. It will bisect BF.

[Edit, added]: It's true alright, and easy enough to prove analytically. The sum of DE and DF comes out equal to the length of the base divided by the length of one of the equal legs, independent of the location of D. Not that any of this helps the OP. :frown:

not following you :confused:

(how can the sum of two lengths equal the ratio of two lengths, ie a number?)

anyway, don't forget that you can't use most of the usual theorems about parallel lines
 
tiny-tim said:
not following you :confused:

(how can the sum of two lengths equal the ratio of two lengths, ie a number?)

anyway, don't forget that you can't use most of the usual theorems about parallel lines

Sorry, I left out a factor. The sum of the two lengths is equal to ##\frac {2ha}{\sqrt{a^2+h^2}}## where ##h## is the height of the triangle and ##2a## is the length of the base. So the units are area/length = length. But, as I said, not the proof the OP is looking for.
 

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