Global warming problems or Michael Crighton is too tall

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The discussion centers around a recent climate debate in New York regarding the motion "Global warming is not a crisis." Participants reflect on the debate's outcomes, the role of Michael Crighton, and the implications of various arguments presented during the event.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a shift in opinion during the debate, with support for the motion increasing from 30% to 46%.
  • Another participant critiques Gavin Schmidt's point system, suggesting it trivializes serious discussions by making them seem ridiculous.
  • A question is raised about whether the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reviewed reports cited in "The Great Global Warming Swindle," with a participant expressing skepticism about the IPCC's acknowledgment of certain research findings.
  • There is mention of a specific study that purportedly contradicts the greenhouse effect, suggesting that such research is often ignored by mainstream climate science.
  • Participants share links to resources, including podcasts and recordings of the debate, indicating interest in further exploration of the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the debate and the validity of the arguments presented. There is no consensus on the implications of the debate or the credibility of the research cited.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the IPCC's review process and the treatment of certain studies remain unresolved, with participants expressing uncertainty about the status of specific research findings.

Andre
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We haven't discussed that climate debate in New York the other day about the motion:

"Global warming is not a crisis."

If it wasn't for the posture of Michael Crighton, the alarmists may have won according to Gavin Schmidt:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/adventures-on-the-east-side/

But they didn't.

The full transcript:

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20070316_notcrisis.pdf

The wrap up:

...And now the results of our debate. After our debaters did their best to sway you…you went from, 30% for the motion that global warming is not a crisis, from 30% to 46%. Against the motion, went from 57% to 42%… And ―undecided went from 13% to 12%. The hardcore ambivalent are still among us. So, in terms of opinion change, those in favor of the motion, have carried the day,..


For our USA friends the debate will be aired at:

WNYC at http://www.wnyc.org/ (23 Mar 2:00PM) all local times, not GMT

KQED at http://www.kqed.org/ (28 Mar 8:00PM)

KJZZ at http://www.kjzz.org/ (25 Mar 3:00PM)

WDUQ at http://www.wduq.org/ (8 Apr 6:00PM)
 
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Very nice, Andre, this looks like something that deserves a through look-at.
 
Right, Mac, lots of food for thoughts there. About Gavin's point system for instance. Avoid the most dangerous discussion by making it ridiculous. The more dangerous, the more points. A most exemplary fallacy. Curiously enough, the same Gavin cautions against fallacies. It's a strange world.
 
Mallignamius said:
I'd still like to know if the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reviewed the reports you cited in "The great Global Warming Swindle".

Right, okay, formally we don't know. The Summary for Policy makers of the fourth assessment report does not mention it and the report itself is not redressed yet to the new political wishes.

Informal we can predict with a rather high accuracy that those type of scientific research results are ignored/disdained like this one for instance:

http://www.knmi.nl/~laatdej/2006joc1292.pdf

about directly produced warming effects affecting the temp records, opposing the greenhouse effect.
 
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