God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically.

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Einstein's EPR paper from 1935, particularly the statement regarding the predictability of physical quantities and their corresponding elements of reality. Participants explore the distinction between classical and quantum interpretations, emphasizing that in EPR-Bohm experiments, measurement interactions can deterministically influence the state of a system. The phrase "God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically" encapsulates the debate on the nature of quantum reality versus classical determinism.

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"God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically." Seeking to support Einstein, I'd like to know how this sentence -- derived from a reading of EPR (1935) -- sits with physicists, mathematicians and philosophers.
Seeking to support Einstein, I'd like to know how the above sentence -- from a reading of EPR (1935)* -- sits with physicists, mathematicians and philosophers.

* EPR (1935), p.777:
"If, without in any way disturbing a system, we can predict with certainty (ie, with probability equal to unity) the value of a physical quantity, then there exists an element of physical reality corresponding to this physical quantity," EPR (1935:777); my emphasis.

By one reading, "corresponding to" does not mean "assuredly pre-existing, and with the identical physical quantity".

(1) It may take that meaning sometimes (typically in classical settings). (2) But in EPR-Bohm experiments, the element of physical reality -- the one that corresponds -- may be deterministically perturbed by the "measurement interaction". That is, the value of "spin-up" may be deterministically brought into existence via that interaction.

So? God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically.

Thanks.
 
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I think indeed God has decided to make a quantum universe rather than a classical one, and "that was good". ;-))).

Then he also made creatures like PR confusing E's views and "that was bad"... SCNR.
 
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