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News Graham Drops out of the 2016 Presidential Race

  1. Dec 22, 2015 #1

    Rio Larsen

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    Lindsey Graham is a Senator who ran for president. Recently, however, he has decided to drop out of the race.

    The problem I see with this video is that he doesn't explain why he is leaving the race. He only says that he's leaving the race and talks about the military. I personally think that he left because he wasn't faring well with the polls, however this is just my opinion and please correct me if I'm wrong.

    I'm personally indifferent as to him announcing his leave; he supported things I vehemently disagreed with albeit he didn't do well with the polls so I didn't see a reason to care about him. One issue was that he supports mandatory prayer in public schools. The reason I disagree with him on this issue is due to the fact that there is no evidence supporting the fact that the United States of America was in fact founded on Christian values and principles. The only evidence you could find it the Declaration of Independence, which states, " . . . That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights . . . " However, the Bill of Rights guarantees the freedom of religion and you could interpret this to mean any god or form of deity; you could interpret it as a pantheistic worldview that the universe itself is divine, too. Also, the Treaty of Tripoli explicitly states, "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion . . . " Ultimately, you'd be imposing religion by having mandatory prayer in public schools, which is unconstitutional; there's also no reason to do it since there isn't any objective evidence supporting the idea that America was founded on Christian principles.

    What are your thoughts on this?
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  3. Dec 22, 2015 #2


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    With negligible vote results, where would be the point of wasting more time on that campaign?
  4. Dec 22, 2015 #3


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    Keep in mind that he's from South Carolina, where I'm sure a large majority of my neighbors agree with him on this. A member of the state board of education once said, not terribly long ago, in connection with displaying (or not) the Ten Commandments in public schools, "Screw the Buddhists and kill the Muslims."

  5. Dec 31, 2015 #4

    jim hardy

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    It doesn't hurt anyone to be kind to those for whom prayer is important
    especially if he considers himself superior to them .

    train your search engine

    humility used to be considered a virtue


    That 1796 treaty with Tripoli must've not worked - we sent the fleet over there to kick butt in 1801
    Destroyer USS Sterett is named after a particularly colorful American sailor of the time.
  6. Dec 31, 2015 #5
    Lindsey Graham may have been the last real hope of the Republican Party as the RNC currently sees itself. He has been the most openly hostile candidate to Trump candidacy. As a politician he has been doing what this country wants, a government that is not embroiled "holy war" of ideals" resulting in a stagnation governmental progress. He realizes the necessity of compromize and not locked in the schackles of ideology. He knows "You can't always get what you want".
    However, He may as a senator be more valuable to this country.
  7. Dec 31, 2015 #6


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    The issue was "Supports requiring schools to allow prayer", considerably different. Currently prayer in public schools led either by students or school officials is banned by a string of court decisions.
  8. Jan 1, 2016 #7

    Rio Larsen

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    I can't edit my post to have it better fit reality. So, I'll just rewrite things here.

    If you want to pray in a public school, I'd say be my guest. However, I vehemently disagree with mandatory prayer in public schools. Lindsey Graham supports requiring students to be allowed to pray, which I'm okay with as long as he doesn't want to go as far as to require students to pray.
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