Graphing Cartesian Products and Unions: Set Theory Sketches

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The discussion revolves around graphing Cartesian products and unions in set theory, specifically focusing on how to visualize these concepts in the context of intervals and discrete sets. Participants explore various examples and seek clarification on the graphical representation of these mathematical operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to sketch graphs for the Cartesian products and unions of specified sets, providing three examples.
  • Another participant suggests that the first example represents rectangular areas in the \mathbb{R}^2 plane, indicating how to set intervals on the axes.
  • Some participants express confusion about the second and third examples, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • There is a discussion about the representation of the union of sets, with one participant referencing Venn diagrams to explain the concept of union and intersection.
  • One participant questions whether the union in example (b) can be simplified to [0,1,2] and how this affects the Cartesian product.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of notation, suggesting that using curly braces for discrete sets is clearer than using interval notation.

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Participants generally agree on the basic definitions of Cartesian products and unions, but there is uncertainty regarding the graphical representation of the examples provided. Multiple competing views on notation and set representation remain unresolved.

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There are limitations regarding the clarity of notation and the representation of discrete versus continuous sets, which may affect participants' understanding of the examples discussed.

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So the book asks me to sketch out these graphs, and of course there are no examples. I was wondering how this is done.

(a) [0,1] X [1, 2] // The X here stands for the Cartesian product.

(b) ([0,1] U {2}) X [1,2] // How can I graph this? The U stands for Union and the X here stands for the Cartesian Product.

(c) ([0,1] U {2}) X ([1,2] U {3}).// Again, the U stands for Union and the X here stands for the Cartesian Product.
 
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I imagine they mean rectangular areas in the [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex] plane. For the (a) example, set one interval in the X-axis and the other in the Y-axis; this defines a rectagular area (the points which x is in [0,1] and which y is in [1,2]).
 
Thanks, DODO that was what I suspected for part a, but parts b and c still mystify me.
 
([0,1] U {2})

For example what would this look like?
 
cubicmonkey said:
([0,1] U {2})

For example what would this look like?

Think of your Venn diagrams. If you have two sets A and B and you have A U B then you can have anything that is both A and B. If you have A [itex]\bigcap[/itex] B then you have any element that is both A and B. This is the definition of these two binary operators.

Again if you get stick think of the Venn diagram graphically of what A [itex]\bigcup[/itex] B and A [itex]\bigcap[/itex] B in terms of pictures and then use that intuition to think of what the symbols mean.

Simplify anything with [itex]\bigcup[/itex] and [itex]\bigcap[/itex] and then take the cartesian product after.
 
So I uploaded my guess at it. What do you think? Is (b) correct? Does ([0,1] U {2}) simply become [0,1,2], which could be read as [0,2]?
 

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cubicmonkey said:
So I uploaded my guess at it. What do you think? Is (b) correct? Does ([0,1] U {2}) simply become [0,1,2], which could be read as [0,2]?

You have to be careful with your notation.

Usually when we want to describe a discrete (countable) set, we usually specify every element in the set and not just the first and last element. When we are talking about a continuous set like all real numbers from 0 to 2 inclusive then we say [0,2]. It is probably a better idea to specify your set as [0,1,2] just so there is no confusion. Your answer is right of course but your [0,2] to mean {0,1,2} is misleading: (also when we talk about sets we always put them in curly braces like {0,1,2}: [0,2] is usually used for describing intervals like 0 <= x <= 2)

So for the sets {0,1} U {2} = {0,1,2} remember to use the curly braces just so no-one gets confused :)
 

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