Gravitational force quick doubt

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving gravitational force and motion of a spacecraft towards the Earth. The spacecraft's motion is analyzed under the influence of gravitational force modeled as k/x², where k is a constant. Participants are particularly focused on understanding the implications of the negative sign in the acceleration equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between force, acceleration, and the direction of motion, questioning the presence of the negative sign in the acceleration equation. They discuss the conventions of positive and negative directions in the context of gravitational forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the correct interpretation of the equations involved. There is recognition that both forms of the equations can be valid under certain interpretations, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the mark scheme.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific conventions and interpretations that are being debated. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the mark scheme's guidance compared to their understanding.

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Homework Statement


A spacecraft S of mass m moves in a straight line towards the centre of the earth. The earth
is modeled as a fixed sphere of radius R. When S is at a distance x from the centre of the
earth, the force exerted by the Earth on S is directed towards the centre of the Earth and has
magnitude k/x2 , where k is a constant.
(a) Show that k = mgR2.
(2)
Given that S starts from rest when its distance from the centre of the Earth is 2R, and that
air resistance can be ignored,
(b) find the speed of S as it crashes into the surface of the earth.



The Attempt at a Solution



I just have a qucick doubt on part B , I do get how to the question except the
markscheme states [itex]a=-\frac{k}{x^2}[/itex] where is the minus sign coming from , surely S is moving towards the Earth so isn't it in the same direction as the force?

Thanks
 
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Yes, the force is in the same direction as the acceleration. However, both force and acceleration are directed towards the the Earth, therefore both are negative. The convention is that positive is away from the Earth.
 
kuruman said:
Yes, the force is in the same direction as the acceleration. However, both force and acceleration are directed towards the the Earth, therefore both are negative. The convention is that positive is away from the Earth.

ok then would I be right in saying this :
since F=ma
[itex]-m v\frac{dv}{dx}=-\frac{k}{x^2}[/itex]
and hence the negative cancel's out?
but the ms says:

[itex]mv\frac{dv}{dx}=-\frac{k}{x^2}[/itex]

so I am not sure.

Thanks for the help so far
 
Here v is the speed, a positive quantity. As the mass moves towards the centre, i.e. as x gets smaller, the speed increases and dv/dx is a negative ratio. On the other side k is positive and so is x2. A negative sign is put in front of k/x2 to ensure that the negative quantity on the left matches the negative quantity on the right.
 
kuruman said:
Here v is the speed, a positive quantity. As the mass moves towards the centre, i.e. as x gets smaller, the speed increases and dv/dx is a negative ratio. On the other side k is positive and so is x2. A negative sign is put in front of k/x2 to ensure that the negative quantity on the left matches the negative quantity on the right.
So if I have understood you right , youre agreeing my first equation is correct?

But the mark scheme of the paper says the 2nd one is correct? Is th emark scheme wrong?

thanks
 
If v denotes the speed, then second equation is correct. The correct form of the first equation should be

[tex]mv \left|\frac{dv}{dx}\right|=\frac{k}{x^2}[/tex]

Note that, because dv/dx is a negative quantity, both forms say the same thing.
 
kuruman said:
If v denotes the speed, then second equation is correct. The correct form of the first equation should be

[tex]mv \left|\frac{dv}{dx}\right|=\frac{k}{x^2}[/tex]

Note that, because dv/dx is a negative quantity, both forms say the same thing.

Thank you very much
 

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