Green's function for massive photon theory

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Green's function for a massive photon theory as presented in a specific Lagrangian from Quantum Field Theory. Participants explore the equations of motion and the process of obtaining the Green's function in momentum space, addressing both theoretical aspects and mathematical formulations.

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  • One participant presents the Lagrangian for a massive photon and derives the equations of motion, leading to the need for a Green's function.
  • Another participant explains the process of finding the Green's function, introducing a Fourier representation and proposing an ansatz for the solution.
  • A later reply corrects a minor typo in the mathematical expressions while confirming the understanding of the derivation process.
  • There is a mention of the importance of the time-ordered propagator in perturbation theory, indicating that the correct location of poles must be considered.

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Participants generally agree on the method for deriving the Green's function, but there are minor disagreements regarding specific mathematical details and the treatment of the propagator. The discussion remains unresolved on the implications of these details.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the propagator and the treatment of poles in the Green's function are not fully explored, leaving room for further clarification.

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I want to understand how to derive the Green's function for the massive photon 'toy' theory, which I studied from section 1.5, Quantum Field Theory In a Nutshell by A. Zee
I am studying the 'toy' Lagrangian (Quantum Field Theory In a Nutshell by A.Zee).

$$\mathcal{L} = - \frac{1}{4} F_{\mu \nu}F^{\mu \nu} + \frac{m^2}{2}A_{\mu}A^{\mu}$$

Which assumes a massive photon (which is of course not what it is experimentally observed; photons are massless).

The equations of motion (E.O.M.) of the theory are given by

$$\Box A^{\mu} - \partial^{\mu}(\partial_{\nu}A^{\nu}) + m^2A^{\mu} = 0 \tag{1}$$

We can rewrite ##(1)## as follows

$$\left[ (\Box + m^2)\eta^{\mu \nu} - \partial^{\mu}\partial^{\nu} \right]A_{\nu}= 0 \tag{2}$$

Now to find the Green's function ##D_{\nu \rho}(x)## we 'have to find the inverse of the differential operator in the square bracket' i.e. we have to find ##D_{\nu \rho}(x)## so that the following equation is satisfied

$$\left[ (\Box + m^2)\eta^{\mu \nu} - \partial^{\mu}\partial^{\nu} \right]D_{\nu \rho}(x)= \delta_{\rho}^{\mu} \delta^{(4)}(x) \tag{3}$$

I see that taking ##(3)## to momentum space (where I used ##\partial_{\mu} \to ik_{\mu}##) yields

$$\left[ -(k^2 - m^2)\eta^{\mu \nu} + k^{\mu}k^{\nu} \right]D_{\nu \rho}(k)= \delta_{\rho}^{\mu} \tag{4}$$

But then Zee simply states the result

$$D_{\nu \rho}(k) = \frac{-\eta_{\nu \rho} + k_{\nu}k_{\rho}/m^2}{k^2 - m^2} \tag{5}$$

Might you please shed light on how to get ##(5)##?

Thanks! :biggrin:

PS: I attached A. Zee's relevant pages.
 

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You get it as any free propgator from solving for the Green's function. The Green's function in this case is a tensor ##G_{\mu \nu}(x-y)## and it obeys by definition the equation of motion
$$(-\Box G_{\mu \nu} + \partial^{\mu} \partial^{\rho} G_{\rho \nu}-m^2 G^{\mu \nu}=-\eta_{\mu \nu} \delta^{(4)}(x-y).$$
All the derivatives apply to to the four-vector ##x##.

Now consider the Fourier representation
$$G_{\mu \nu}(x-y)=\int_{\mathbb{R}^4} \mathrm{d}^4 p \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^4} \tilde{G}_{\mu \nu}(p) \exp[-\mathrm{i} p \cdot (x-y)].$$
Plugging this into the equation of motion yields
$$(p^2-m^2) \tilde{G}_{\mu \nu} -p_{\mu} p^{\rho} \tilde{G}_{\rho \nu} = -\eta_{\mu \nu}. \qquad (*)$$
Of course ##\tilde{G}_{\mu \nu}## must be built with ##p_{\mu} p_{\nu}## and ##\eta_{\mu \nu}##. To solve the equation we thus make the ansatz
$$\tilde{G}_{\mu \nu}=\tilde{G}_{1}(p^2) \eta_{\mu \nu}+ \tilde{G}_{2}(p^2) p_{\mu} p_{\nu}/p^2.$$
Plugging this into (*) you get [EDIT: Corrected in view of #2]
$$\eta_{\mu \nu} (p^2-m^2)\tilde{G}_1 - p_{\mu} p_{\nu} (\tilde{G}_1+m^2/p^2 \tilde{G}_2)=-\eta_{\mu \nu}.$$
From this we get
$$\tilde{G}_1=-\frac{1}{p^2-m^2}, \quad \tilde{G}_2=-p^2/m^2 \tilde{G}_1,$$
i.e., finally
$$\tilde{G}_{\mu \nu} = \frac{1}{p^2-m^2} (-\eta_{\mu \nu} + p_{\mu} p_{\nu}/m^2).$$
Of course, here I was as sloppy as Zee concerning the denominator (which didactically is a no-go to be honest!). You have to also know which propgator you want. In perturbation theory for vacuum QFT you need the time-ordered propgator. So the correct location of the poles is given by writing
$$\tilde{G}_{\mu \nu} = \frac{1}{p^2-m^2+\mathrm{i} 0^+} (-\eta_{\mu \nu} + p_{\mu} p_{\nu}/m^2).$$
 
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Thank you for your reply @vanhees71. I understand how to derive Green's function now.

Just a small comment that does not modify the final answer :smile:

vanhees71 said:
Plugging this into (*) you get
$$\eta_{\mu \nu} (p^2-m^2)\tilde{G}_1 + p_{\mu} p_{\nu} (\tilde{G}_1+m^2/p^2 \tilde{G}_2)=-\eta_{\mu \nu}.$$

I get

$$\eta_{\mu \nu} (p^2-m^2)\tilde{G}_1 - p_{\mu} p_{\nu} (\tilde{G}_1+m^2/p^2 \tilde{G}_2)=-\eta_{\mu \nu}.$$
 
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Sure, that's a typo. I've corrected it in the original posting.
 
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