Green's function with same time and spatial arguments

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Green's functions with identical time and spatial arguments, particularly in the context of quantum field theory (QFT) and quantum many-body theory. Participants explore the definitions, singularities, and implications of these Green's functions in various theoretical frameworks, including their role in Feynman diagrams and the associated divergences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Green's function ##G_0(x,t;x,t)## is well-defined at the point where time and spatial arguments are equal.
  • There is a discussion regarding the continuity of the Green's function at this point, with some suggesting it is singular based on equal-time commutation relations.
  • One participant notes that in quantum many-body theory, ##G_0(x,t;x,t)## is often treated as ##G_0(x,t;x,t+0^+)## in Feynman diagrams, prompting questions about the reasoning behind this interpretation.
  • Participants discuss the nature of tadpole diagrams in QFT, noting that they are typically divergent and questioning the relationship between these divergences and the Green's function evaluated at the same arguments.
  • Some argue that the propagator is singular at equal space-time points, which is linked to the origin of ultraviolet (UV) divergences in Feynman rules.
  • One participant attempts to illustrate the divergence of the Green's function using a free Klein-Gordon field, indicating that the integral diverges for large four-momenta when evaluated at the same point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and properties of the Green's function at equal time and spatial arguments. While some agree on the singular nature of the propagator at these points, others raise questions about the implications and interpretations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of divergences in QFT and the implications of normal ordering in relation to gauge invariance. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and contexts within quantum field theory and many-body theory.

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Concerning green's function with the same time and spatial argument(i.e. ##G_0(x,t;x,t)##, mostly in QFT), I have the following question

1. Is green's function well defined at this point?

2. if green's function is well defined at this point, is it continuous here?

3. In quantum many body theory, I am instructed to view ##G_0(x,t;x,t)## as ##G_0(x,t;x,t+0^+)## in feynman diagrams. Why is this so?
 
The Green's functions in vacuum QFT are defined as the time-ordered products of field operators and as such a priori singular when their space-time arguments become equal. That becomes clear from the equal-time commutator relations. For some field ##\hat{\phi}## and its canonical field momentum ##\hat{\Pi}## it reads
$$[\hat{\Phi}(t,\vec{x}),\hat{\Pi}(t,\vec{y})]=\mathrm{i} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{y}).$$
In non-relativistic many-body theory you have a Schrödinger field. The free field consists only of a annihilation piece, and thus the special rule given in your OP means that a closed loop connecting the same space-time point in a Feynman diagram should be interpreted as the expectation value of a normal ordered piece in the Hamiltonian, i.e., a density. This automatically subtracts the always diverging vacuum pieces of such tadpole diagrams.
 
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vanhees71 said:
The Green's functions in vacuum QFT are defined as the time-ordered products of field operators and as such a priori singular when their space-time arguments become equal. That becomes clear from the equal-time commutator relations. For some field ##\hat{\phi}## and its canonical field momentum ##\hat{\Pi}## it reads
$$[\hat{\Phi}(t,\vec{x}),\hat{\Pi}(t,\vec{y})]=\mathrm{i} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{y}).$$
In non-relativistic many-body theory you have a Schrödinger field. The free field consists only of a annihilation piece, and thus the special rule given in your OP means that a closed loop connecting the same space-time point in a Feynman diagram should be interpreted as the expectation value of a normal ordered piece in the Hamiltonian, i.e., a density. This automatically subtracts the always diverging vacuum pieces of such tadpole diagrams.
Thanks for your post, still:
1. Why in QFT I am never instructed to view ##G_0(x,t;x,t)## as ##G_0(x,t;x,t+0^+)## in feynman diagrams?
2. Tadpole diagrams is divergent in QFT. Is there any relationship between ##G_0(x,t;x,t)## and the divergence?
 
In vacuum QFT a tadpole loop is a connection between field operators within ##\mathcal{H}_{\text{int}}##. Usually you can assume normal-ordering of the Hamiltonian and just skipt the diagram. There's one caveat: Usually (naive) normal ordering is not gauge invariant, and you cannot naively leave the diagram out. So it's more convenient to keep the diagrams and renormalize them along with the other divergences (most simple examples: tadpole diagram for the photon polarization in scalar QED; tadpole diagram in gluon polarization in QCD).
 
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vanhees71 said:
In vacuum QFT a tadpole loop is a connection between field operators within ##\mthcal{H}_{\text{int}}##. Usually you can assume normal-ordering of the Hamiltonian and just skipt the diagram. There's one caveat: Usually (naive) normal ordering is not gauge invariant, and you cannot naively leave the diagram out. So it's more convenient to keep the diagrams and renormalize them along with the other divergences (most simple examples: tadpole diagram for the photon polarization in scalar QED; tadpole diagram in gluon polarization in QCD).
Renormalization deals with diagrams that's divergent because of large momentum(##k##). Is tadpole diagram divergent because of green's function of the same argument or because of large momentum? And what's the relationship between the two things?
 
Greens functions are of two types... one is retarded and other one is advanced.. retarded green's functions is causal meaning it respect Lorentz symmetry.. And then you can define Feynman propagator accordingly. Anyway the question of green's function evaluated at same time at same space physically mean I think what is the probability that a state at that particular spacetime point would collapse to the state defined at other spacetime point. So I think if Space and time both are same then It should be just 1...
 
No, the propagator is singular at equal space-time points. This is clear from the equal-time commutation relations for field operators. This is the origin of UV divergences in the Feynman rules.
 
vanhees71 said:
No, the propagator is singular at equal space-time points. This is clear from the equal-time commutation relations for field operators. This is the origin of UV divergences in the Feynman rules.
Can you explain more explicitly why equal space-time green's function corresponds to UV divergences? You can refer to peskin's book if necessary.
 
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Well take a free uncharged Klein-Gordon field for Simplicity. The Lagrangian is
$$\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2} (\partial_{\mu} \phi)(\partial^{\mu} \phi)-\frac{m}{2} \phi^2$$
and the canonical field momentum thus
$$\Pi(x)=\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\dot{\phi}}=\dot{\phi}(x).$$
Thus you have
$$[\phi(t,\vec{x}),\Pi(t,\vec{y})]=\mathrm{i} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{y}).$$
The time-ordered propagator (which is for vacuum QFT the Feynman propagator)
$$\mathrm{i} G(x-y)=\langle \mathcal{T}_c \phi(x) \phi(y)$$
thus has the correct Green's function property
$$(\Box_x+m^2) \mathrm{i} G(x-y) =\delta^{(4)}(x-y).$$
For an explicit expression for the Green's function, which you can evaluate via the Fourier transform from the momentum-space representation
$$G(x)=\int \frac{\mathrm{d}^4 k}{(2 \pi)^4} \frac{1}{k^2-m^2 + \mathrm{i} 0^{+}} \exp(-\mathrm{i} k \cdot x).$$
It's very clear that this integral for ##x=0## does not exist, because it diverges for large four momenta (UV divergence). You find a discussion of this integral in some detail in the beginning sections of Peskin and Schroeder.
 

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