Griffiths E&M Problem 3.15: Solving a 3D Bounded Region

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This discussion revolves around a problem from Griffiths' Electricity and Magnetism textbook, specifically focusing on a three-dimensional bounded region and the application of the Laplacian operator. Participants are exploring the implications of boundary conditions and the nature of solutions in this context.

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  • Participants are examining the separation of variables method applied to the Laplacian, questioning how the sum of functions can equal zero under certain conditions. There is a debate about the nature of constants involved in the equations and whether they can be negative or positive. Some participants suggest considering different forms of solutions, such as trigonometric versus exponential functions.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the constants in the equations and their implications for the solutions. Participants are questioning assumptions about the nature of the functions and the boundary conditions, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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There is an emphasis on the bounded nature of the region and the associated boundary conditions, which may influence the choice of functions used in the solution. Participants are also considering the implications of using different mathematical forms, such as trigonometric and exponential functions, in relation to the problem's constraints.

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This question refers to Griffiths E and M book.


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Obviously this is a 3D problem and we should use Example 3.5 as a model. However, since the region of interest is bounded in all 3 directions doesn't that mean that all of C_1, C_2, and C_3 need to be negative? But then C_1+C_2+C_3=0 is impossible! The constants C_i that I am referring to are on page 135.
 
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Laplacian

[tex]\nabla^2 V = 0[/tex]

After separation of variables:

[tex]\frac{1}{F}\frac{d^2 F}{dx^2} + \frac{1}{G}\frac{d^2 G}{dy^2} + \frac{1}{H}\frac{d^2 H}{dz^2} = 0[/tex]

Argument: How can a function of x and y and z added together be zero always?
 
Mindscrape said:
Laplacian

[tex]\nabla^2 V = 0[/tex]

After separation of variables:

[tex]\frac{1}{F}\frac{d^2 F}{dx^2} + \frac{1}{G}\frac{d^2 G}{dy^2} + \frac{1}{H}\frac{d^2 H}{dz^2} = 0[/tex]

Argument: How can a function of x and y and z added together be zero always?

That is my point! If
[tex]\frac{1}{F}\frac{d^2 F}{dx^2}=C_1[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{G}\frac{d^2 G}{dy^2}=C_2[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{H}\frac{d^2 H}{dz^2} =C_3[/tex]

Then C_1 +C_2+C_3 must be 0 which means that not all the C_i can be negative, which is absurd because we need trig functions not exponentials since the region is bounded in all three directions??
 
Absolutely, positive constants will give the trivial solution.

Why not say -C1-C2-C3=0? Does it really matter whether the constants we make are negative or positive, aren't they allowing the functions to *sum* to zero in either case?
 
Why not exponentials? It seems like the potential will start at Vo at z = a, then decay (exponentially) down the z axis.
 
Try to apply the boundary conditions to exponentials. It may be easier if you write them in terms of sinh and cosh in this case.
 

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