Group 6 Acid Strength: H2O vs. H2S vs. H2Se vs. H2Te

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relative acid strengths of H2O, H2S, H2Se, and H2Te, exploring the factors that influence their acidity. Participants examine the periodic trends and dissociation constants related to these compounds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the strongest acid among the compounds is likely H2Te due to its larger atomic size and greater tendency to dissociate.
  • Another participant agrees that H2Te is the most acidic and mentions that the first dissociation constants can be easily found online.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to search for the relevant dissociation constants and appreciates the suggestion to look them up.
  • One participant provides a link to a resource with tables of dissociation constants and explains the concept of pK, noting that H2Se is a weak acid and H2Te is stronger.
  • The same participant highlights that H2S is a weak acid and discusses its relevance to biological molecules, indicating that the understanding of acid strength may be influenced by factors beyond simple definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on H2Te being the strongest acid, but the discussion includes varying perspectives on the acidity of H2S and H2Se, as well as the adequacy of traditional explanations for acid strength.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding dissociation constants and the role of solvent in determining acid strength, indicating that some assumptions may be missing or that definitions may vary.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying acid-base chemistry, particularly those interested in the properties of group 6 hydrides and their applications in biological contexts.

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Homework Statement



What is the strongest acid among the following: H2O, H2S, H2Se, H2Te

2. The attempt at a solution
I noticed they are in the same group so I think the idea is to pick the compound with the group 6 element that is largest in atomic size...I think it's H2Te because atomic size increases as you go down a group in the periodic table, and the heavier the atom the greater tenancy it will have to dissociate in a given group. Is this correct?
 
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Yes, H2Te is the most acidic. Easy to check - google for first dissociation constants of all four compounds.

If nothing else works, stick to facts ;)
 
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Thanks for the tip, I thought it'd be easy to google and tried but wasn't sure what to search... dissociation constants is a good idea.
 
You can google the substances themselves. Then there are lots of tables. Here is one specifically referring to your question. http://www.chemrat.com/ChemHog2/Organic Chem_files/pKtrends.doc. You have to know what pK means, but it you haven't done it, it suffices that it is the pH at which the acid is half-dissociated. But then you have to know what pH means.

So we'd class H2Se as a weakish acid a bit more acidic than acetic. H2Te is getting to be strongish. This may be the first and last time you meet it. And even H2Se not often. The real thing you're likely to met later is that H2S is a weak acid as are very many common RSH ((sulphydryl aka thiols aka mercaptans) which include important biological molecules like the amino acid cysteine. Their dissociation occurs over the neutral or physiological range, pK's round 6.75 - 8. Weak acids but much stronger than the corresponding alcohols.

If the rationalisations you are expected to learn about factors of acid strength make sense, OK, whenever they don't, don't worry, because the ones that have got fossilised in textbooks are all inadequate less-than-half truths that leave out the fundamental role of the solvent.
 
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