H.E.S.S. gamma ray telescope got an image of the moon

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The discussion centers around the capabilities and limitations of ground-based gamma-ray telescopes, particularly in relation to imaging the surface and subsurface of celestial bodies, such as the moon. Participants explore the feasibility of using these telescopes for high-resolution imaging and the challenges associated with atmospheric interference.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether better ground-based gamma-ray telescopes could achieve high-resolution images of planetary surfaces and subsurfaces.
  • Others point out that the image in question was produced by the Egret telescope, not H.E.S.S., and note the lengthy time required to create such images, indicating the difficulty of the task.
  • It is mentioned that ground-based gamma-ray telescopes cannot detect original gamma photons due to atmospheric absorption, only secondary lower-energy gamma photons resulting from interactions in the atmosphere.
  • Some participants express interest in whether secondary particles could still be used to map planetary surfaces, despite the limitations of ground-based observations.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability to determine the direction of the original gamma-ray source given the spread of shower particles, with a request for further information on this topic.
  • A participant notes that the VERITAS array of telescopes provides multiple views of air showers, which may improve the accuracy of determining the direction of incoming gamma rays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of using ground-based gamma-ray telescopes for high-resolution imaging, with some skepticism about the effectiveness of secondary particles for mapping. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential for accurately determining the direction of gamma-ray sources.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on atmospheric conditions for ground-based observations and the unresolved nature of how well secondary particles can be used for imaging purposes.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_egret.jpg

Can we use better telescopes of this type (ground based gamma rays telescopes) to image the surface and subsurface of a planet with a lot of resolution?
 
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That is from Egret, not Hess.

It took 3 years to make that image. That tells you how difficult it would be to get a better image.
 
Noduagga said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_egret.jpg

Can we use better telescopes of this type (ground based gamma rays telescopes) to image the surface and subsurface of a planet with a lot of resolution?

you will find there's a lack of ground based gamma telescopes for a good reason. You don't get to see the original gamma photons as they are stopped by the atmosphere, fortunately for life on earth. Rather you get to see showers of secondary lower energy gamma photons after the originators collide with particles in the atmosphere.
Hence, if you want to see the original source gamma rays, you must do so from space ... i.e. from orbitDave
 
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davenn said:
you will find there's a lack of ground based gamma telescopes for a good reason. You don't get to see the original gamma photons as they are stopped by the atmosphere, fortunately for life on earth. Rather you get to see showers of secondary lower energy gamma photons after the originators collide with particles in the atmosphere.
Hence, if you want to see the original source gamma rays, you much do so from space ... i.e. from orbitDave
Well i don't mind if we can use this secondary particles to map the surface of a planet. Can we?
 
Noduagga said:
Well i don't mind if we can use this secondary particles to map the surface of a planet. Can we?

but do they have any idea of the origin direction of the source gamma ray when the angle of the shower particles are so spread out ?

As of yet, I haven't seen anything in print to that effect ... open to links for such:smile:

Dave

PS. lots more reading
The four telescopes in the VERITAS array each provide a different view of an air shower, providing a better fix on the direction of the incoming gamma ray.

emphasis on the words "better fix" so that does help narrow down the source direction a bit
 
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