Has prohibition ever been successful?

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The discussion centers on the effectiveness of prohibition in various contexts, particularly regarding drugs, alcohol, and cultural practices. Participants explore historical examples of prohibition and its outcomes, questioning whether such measures can be deemed successful.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effectiveness of historical prohibitions, specifically mentioning the Chinese death penalty for opium possession and expressing skepticism about its success.
  • Another participant notes that Islam prohibits alcohol, prompting a discussion about whether this ban has effectively stopped Muslims from drinking.
  • Some participants argue that cultural prohibitions may be more effective than government-enforced bans, citing examples of Muslims and Hindus who adhere to cultural norms despite the presence of prohibitions.
  • A participant references a successful prohibition in the Czech Republic related to adulterated alcohol, suggesting that compliance was high and the prohibition was time-limited.
  • Another example discussed is the dereligionization in the Soviet Union, where participants claim that the Bolsheviks succeeded in diminishing religious practices over generations, although some remnants of religion persisted in rural areas.
  • A participant raises the one-child policy in China as a potential comparison to prohibition, questioning the nature of such policies and their implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the success of various prohibitions, with no consensus reached on whether any prohibition can be deemed universally successful. The effectiveness of cultural versus governmental prohibitions remains a point of contention.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of measuring success in prohibition, noting that outcomes may vary significantly based on context, cultural factors, and the nature of the prohibitions themselves.

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Not like the FDA banning some vague chemical. I'm talking about prohibition of available, high demand things like drugs or prostitution.

Someone mentioned to me recently that the Chinese made opium possession punishable by death and that it got rid of the problem, but I don't believe that. Does anyone know of any historical examples of prohibition being successful?
 
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Islam religion banned alcohol, among other things.
 
Evo said:
Islam religion banned alcohol, among other things.
But he wants to know if that ban has stopped Muslims from drinking.
 
zoobyshoe said:
But he wants to know if that ban has stopped Muslims from drinking.
There are few Muslims, I know in Canada, who drink. Similarly, there are few Hindus who are non-vegetarians and eat beef. But I think these cases are very rare.

It was interesting to point out drinking prohibition for Muslims. It appears cultural prohibitions work way better than when a government forcefully tries to ban something (e.g. US on drugs). I don't think the cultural prohibitions work better just because consequences are very serious e.g. Sharia law. A while ago I asked my Hindu friend why he doesn't eat meat and he replied just because he respect his culture. You would also find Islamic women who are in liberal settings but still follow traditions and restrict themselves from doing certain things just because of cultural norms they believe in.
 
Though there have been a number of prohibitions, I know about one in the Czech Republic that has actually been very successful. I believe the prohibition still lasts.

A number of criminals decided to adulterate good-quality, expensive hard liquor with a portion of cheap, home-made alcohol. While the scheme had worked for them for quite some tome, people starting dying en masse last summer after in general innocuous the home-made alcohol became even worse quality and contained methanol. From what my parents told me, the enacted prohibition was actually very successful. However, this is a case of a reasonable time-limited prohibition. Most people seemed to comply with the new rules though liquor companies have lost a ton of money.

Yet another example of successful prohibition is dereligination in the Soviet Union (is that even a word? :)) From what I was told (by grandparents) and taught (at high school), it took the Bolsheviks over two generations but they eventually succeeded. Religion was purged from schools as well as most social studies. The then-new focus of the Eastern block shifted to mathematics, physics, and hard-sciences. That's why Russians are overwhelmingly portrayed either as physicists or members of a mafia :).

Religion has, of course, survived in the countryside to some extent but not in large cities. Nowadays the Russian-orthodox religion is enjoying a lukewarm comeback. This practice of banning religion violently backfired in Poland in 1989, mostly because of Pope John Paul II.

These are the only examples of successful prohibition I can think of at the moment.

Hold, wait a moment. How about the one-child policy in China? Could that be even compared with a prohibition? Funny, can we even compare a nation-wide crime with a set of rules that actually try to better a nation?
 

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