Has the Value of G Constant Changed Recently?

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The discussion centers around the value of the gravitational constant (G) and whether it has changed recently. Participants explore the implications of its measurement, variability, and the processes behind its determination, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that G must be determined experimentally, leading to variability in its reported value.
  • There is mention of the CODATA Task Group's role in providing updated values of fundamental constants, with updates expected every four years, although delays in publication are noted.
  • One participant argues that G cannot be a constant due to the changing mass of the Earth, citing the accumulation of micrometeoric dust as a contributing factor.
  • Another participant references studies of astronomical phenomena suggesting that G may have varied by less than one part in ten billion per year over the last nine billion years.
  • There is a clarification regarding the distinction between G (the gravitational constant) and g (gravitational acceleration), emphasizing the complexity of measuring G.
  • It is stated that measuring G is particularly challenging and that it is considered the least well-known fundamental physical constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether G can be considered a constant, with some arguing for its variability based on Earth's changing mass and others focusing on the challenges in its measurement. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of G's value on experimental conditions and the potential for variability over geological time scales, but do not resolve these complexities.

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Has there been any recent changes in the G constant value?
 
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I meant in the official value of G known to us?
 
The job of the CODATA Task Group on Fundamental Constants is "to periodically provide the scientific and technological communities with a self-consistent set of internationally recommended values of the basic constants and conversion factors of physics and chemistry based on all of the relevant data available at a given point in time."

Updates are released every four years. This update will be published online at http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants, supposedly in May or June 2015, but that hasn't happened yet. That site still has the CODATA 2010 values. It's still June 2015, so nominally this should any day now -- or maybe not.
 
G cannot be a constant since the mass of the Earth is not a constant.
In fact several tonnes of micrometoric dust is accumulated every day.
Although that makes no significant difference to the measure of G over the course of a human life time, it might make a difference on geologic time scales.
 
rootone said:
G cannot be a constant since the mass of the Earth is not a constant.
In fact several tonnes of micrometoric dust is accumulated every day.
Although that makes no significant difference to the measure of G over the course of a human life time, it might make a difference on geologic time scales.
This just means that GMearth varies slightly over time.

The variation in G over longer time scales has been studied using astronomical phenomena:
Under the assumption that the physics of type Ia supernovae are universal, analysis of observations of 580 type Ia supernovae has shown that the gravitational constant has varied by less than one part in ten billion per year over the last nine billion years.

from the Wiki article linked above.
 
rootone said:
G cannot be a constant since the mass of the Earth is not a constant.
In fact several tonnes of micrometoric dust is accumulated every day.
You are confusing G, the Newtonian gravitational constant, with g, gravitational acceleration at the surface of the Earth. Big G is dimensional physical constant, the G in [itex]F=\frac {Gm_1m_2}{r^2}[/itex] (Newton's law of gravitation). That is modern notation; Newton himself didn't express his law of gravitation that way, nor did Henry Cavendish, the first to measure G (but only after the fact). Cavendish intent was to "weigh the Earth".

Measuring G is extremely non-trivial. It is the least well known fundamental physical constant.
 

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