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Have theories been formed yet on how to stop a black hole?
Siddharth Menon said:Does the black hole increase in gravitational force for all the matter it sucks in?
Siddharth Menon said:Why doesn't the black hole collapse on itself?
How does it remain stable with all the mass it compresses into nothing?
Chronos said:We currently have no accepted model for physics inside the event horizon.
mathman said:General relativity gives a description. Unfortunately quantum theory says it can't happen that way. That is why no one knows what is really going on.
Chronos said:I would prefer to say a collapsing star can form an event horizon. We currently have no accepted model for physics inside the event horizon.
Nugatory said:There are three regions of interest here, not two, are there not? We have the region outside the event horizon, which is fairly well understood because we live there. Then there's the region inside the event horizon but still far from the central singularity, and there's the region near the central singularity. Are you uncomfortable accepting the GR predictions for the inside-but-far region?
(This is a question not an argument).
mathman said:The problem with just inside the event horizon is that general relativity describes this as a transient where all matter collapses to a singularity, so just inside could simply be empty except for something just falling in.
That's where you had a mistake. Black Hole can't be huge. For an immense density which could also attract light by its gravitational force, you need a radius as small as possible and that's why the largest one has found to be of I guess diameter 64 km. If its huge then you can't be alive, coping with its immense gravity. To escape from it and live a peaceful life, we need to have an escape velocity more than light but we know nothing can be faster than light. Also black hole can collapse only if its density is such greater that it gets attracted by its own gravity and collapse and reaches to a point whereon he couldn't get any smaller and thus a big bang kind of stuff could occur.martinbn said:Still not sure I understand. If the black hole is huge and you are just within the horizon quantum theory will play no role in the description, not more than anywhere else where spacetime curvature is equally small.
This is utter nonsense. Please read up on black holes before making such statements.Shailesh Pincha said:That's where you had a mistake. Black Hole can't be huge. For an immense density which could also attract light by its gravitational force, you need a radius as small as possible and that's why the largest one has found to be of I guess diameter 64 km.
This is blather. It's too garbled to even try to correct. Please read some basic cosmology.If its huge then you can't be alive, coping with its immense gravity. To escape from it and live a peaceful life, we need to have an escape velocity more than light but we know nothing can be faster than light. Also black hole can collapse only if its density is such greater that it gets attracted by its own gravity and collapse and reaches to a point whereon he couldn't get any smaller and thus a big bang kind of stuff could occur.
But we will never be able to see it( before the big bang and after the black hole) because in between comes the event horizon...
Shailesh Pincha said:Black Hole can't be huge. For an immense density which could also attract light by its gravitational force, you need a radius as small as possible and that's why the largest one has found to be of I guess diameter 64 km.
it is a single point. what we call a black hole, is just a point, it is called singularity.Siddharth Menon said:Why doesn't the black hole collapse on itself?
How does it remain stable with all the mass it compresses into nothing?
Tejaslion said:it is a single point. what we call a black hole, is just a point, it is called singularity.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to vouch for it but one of the references describes it as the proper time of an in falling object crossing the Event Horizon is zero. Like one outside the EH can stop space movement but not time movement, one inside the EH stops proper time movement but can not stop space movement and (I assume) invariable heads for the singularity.phinds said:But that would seem to imply that the transmission of matter from just inside the EH to the singularity at the center happens instantaneous, which seems unlikely. Like Nugatory, I'm not being argumentative, just don't understand.
I read in one reference that the "singularity" is actually a Planck length radius, 10-35 m, though this strikes me as a distinction without a difference.phinds said:No, a black hole is everything inside the Event Horizon, not just at the center. The "singularity" is just the place where our current math model breaks down. The current belief (but no evidence yet) is that it is most likely NOT a point but until there is a good theory of quantum gravity, it can't be modeled in any other way than what we currently have, which gives a most-likely-non-physical ("singularity") result.
Shailesh Pincha said:Black Hole can't be huge.
This doesn't sound correct as escape velocity is as much related to density as mass.Drakkith said:Not true. Supermassive black holes exist, having radii of millions of kilometers and densities less than water.
Take the escape velocity equationRodB said:This doesn't sound correct as escape velocity is as much related to density as mass.
If one looks at only “normal” physics escape velocity is directly related to the square root of the density and to the radius of the body. If you hold the radius constant (like for the Earth) then escape velocity is determined only by the square root of the density times a constant. But then, as always, funny things happen as one approaches the speed of light and black holes. In either case you can have densities of 1.0 though black hole dimensions get slightly grotesque even for cosmological things – Schwartzschild radii of 13 billion Km with 4 trillion solar masses (assuming my math is correct). My only point is that it sometimes is convenient to think of escape velocity in terms of the density of the base body. But this gets really screwy with black holes. For example, what is the density of a black hole with a R-schwartzschild of a million Km and any mass but all concentrated in a singularity? Density is a helpful parameter with normal things but as you point out not much help with black holes.Bandersnatch said:Take the escape velocity equation
##V=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}##
set ##V=c## and rearrange with ##r## on one side:
##r=\frac{2GM}{c^2}##
This is the Schwartzschild radius equation. As ##M## goes up, the radius increases linearly.
At the same time, assuming uniform density distribution of material inside, a sphere of density ##\rho## and radius ##r## will have mass:
##M =\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3\rho##
For ##M## and ##r## to change at the same rate, ##\rho## must change as ##\frac{1}{r^2}##
That is, it has to fall as the black hole grows bigger.
A black hole is a region in space where the gravitational pull is so strong that nothing, including light, can escape its grasp. This is due to the immense mass of the object, which causes a distortion in the fabric of space-time.
Currently, there is no known way to stop a black hole. The laws of physics as we know them do not allow for anything to escape the gravitational pull of a black hole once it has passed the event horizon.
There are several theories that attempt to explain how to stop a black hole, but none have been proven or tested. Some suggest using powerful lasers or other forms of energy to disrupt the gravitational pull, while others propose creating a counteracting force with antimatter.
It is currently unknown if a black hole can be destroyed. Some theories suggest that a black hole may eventually evaporate through a process called Hawking radiation, but this has not been observed or proven.
There is no known way to prevent a black hole from forming. Black holes are a natural result of the collapse of a massive star, and their formation is an inevitable part of the life cycle of a star. However, it is possible to avoid the creation of supermassive black holes by regulating the growth of galaxies and their central black holes.