Have You Seen This Urn Problem Before?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an urn problem involving sampling colored balls (red, green, blue, and orange) using a machine that draws pairs of two different colors at a time. Participants explore the implications of this sampling method for estimating the proportions of each color in the urn.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence and naming of the urn problem, seeking clarification on its characteristics.
  • Another participant confirms the sampling method involves drawing pairs of different colored balls with replacement.
  • A third participant suggests that the problem does not have a specific name due to the variety of urn problems in probability theory.
  • This participant proposes a method for estimating the proportion of each color based on the outcomes of the pairs drawn, indicating that there are six possible outcomes for the pairs.
  • The same participant explains how to estimate the proportion of a specific color by dividing the number of pairs containing that color by twice the total number of drawn pairs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mechanics of the sampling process and the lack of a specific name for the problem. However, there is no consensus on the best method for estimating proportions, as different approaches are suggested without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the sampling method and the assumptions about the replacement of balls, which may affect the estimation process.

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I'm interested if anyone has seen something like this urn problem before and if it has a name?

The premise is:

An urn contains red, green, blue and orange balls. I have a sampling machine that can draw samples from the urn, but will only draw balls of any two colors at a time. For example, the machine can draw red and green balls and I will get a sample that tells me the ratio of red to green but not the proportion of green balls in the urn as a whole.

Thanks!
 
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I'm assuming your problem is about drawing a pair of two different color balls each time, right? Do you replace the balls back to the urn before the next drawing?
 
Hi Viralux, yes, different colored balls, and with replacement. Thanks
 
I don't think this problem has an specific name since there are many different urn like problems in the probability theory.

In this case you want to estimate the proportion of each colored ball; if you draw one at a time you simply divide the number of of each colored ball n by the total number of drawn balls N, that is n/N.

Since you are drawing two at a time and they are different color each time you have only 6 possible outcomes {r,g} {r,b} {r,o} {g,b} {g,o} {b,o} and you can estimate then the proportion for each pair as if they were just one color.

But if you want to estimate the proportion of just one of the colors you simply need to divide the number of pairs having that color by twice the total number of drawn pairs, for example, the estimation for the red ball would be: (#{r,g}+#{r,b}+#{r,p})/(2*N)
 

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