Heavier hydrogen-like bound states?

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This discussion centers on the hypothetical existence of hydrogen-like bound states involving second and third generation quarks, specifically charm, strange, top, and bottom quarks, with muons or tau-leptons replacing electrons. It is established that while such states could theoretically exist for very short durations, they decay rapidly due to weak interactions, making them impractical for stable matter production. The top quark's extremely short lifetime further complicates the formation of these states, rendering them non-viable in realistic experimental conditions.

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Before I begin, I would like to say what I am about to ask would require some sort of top-top-bottom bound state for it to function. Which (to my knowledge) has not been experimentally or theoretically predicted. Also, in case if you are wondering- no, this is not a homework question.
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So, if we know that hydrogen exists, could we also hypothetically observe some sort of hydrogen-like state where there would be second generation quarks (charm and strange) or third generation quarks (top and bottom/truth and beauty) bound in a proton like state; with a muon or tau-lepton acting like an electron?*

* Yes, I am aware of positronium bound states and exotic atoms (Introduction to Elementary Particles, Griffiths, page 169).
 
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No. Baryon states involving second and third generation quarks decay very fast.
 
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Well, we couldn’t store it, but for very short times these systems could exist. ccc, ccs and sss can only decay via the weak interaction, that makes their lifetime long enough to bind a muon (or antimuon for sss) via the electromagnetic interaction. css would be neutral.

Top quarks decay too fast to form hadrons, but bbb with an anti-tau might be possible.

There is just no realistic way to produce any of these things.
 
I'm with mfb. I figured the question of whether or not you have an atom is how many orbits you have before decay, and it seems to be nearly a billion. So I would call it an atom.
 
It sounds to me that the OP wants to create large quantities and/or stable matter. My response should be read in that light.

Furthermore, the ttb state mentioned in the OP does not exist in a meaningful way due to the top lifetime.

Also taking into account to that that the OP wanted the state to include a mu or tau instead of an electron and you have serious production issues even if such a state could theoretically exist.
 

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