Heisenberg's equation of motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation of motion for observables in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the implications of changing representations through unitary transformations. Participants explore the relationship between the equations of motion in different representations and the conditions under which they hold.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the equation of motion for an observable A and questions how it transforms under a unitary transformation.
  • Another participant suggests that if one understands the derivation of Heisenberg's equation of motion, they should be able to find the answer regarding the transformation.
  • A participant asserts that the two equations of motion are equivalent, implying that the transformed operator satisfies the second equation as well.
  • Another participant challenges this by asking if the transformed operator satisfies the first equation but not the second.
  • A later reply indicates that if the generator of the unitary transformation depends on time, there may be additional terms that need to be considered, referencing standard quantum mechanics or quantum field theory texts.
  • One participant reiterates their original question about deriving the time derivative of the position operator in a specific representation, suggesting a reference for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the equations of motion under unitary transformations, with some asserting they are the same while others question this assertion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of time-dependent transformations.

Contextual Notes

There are potential limitations related to the assumptions made about the unitary transformation and its dependence on time, which may affect the validity of the equations presented.

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The equation of motion for an observeable A is given by [itex]\dot{A} = \frac{1}{i \hbar} [A,H][/itex].

If we change representation, via some unitary transformation [itex]\widetilde{A} \mapsto U^\dag A U[/itex] is the corresponding equation of motion now

[itex]\dot{\widetilde{A}} = \frac{1}{i \hbar} [\widetilde{A},U^\dag H U][/itex]
or
[itex]\dot{\widetilde{A}} = \frac{1}{i \hbar} [\widetilde{A},H][/itex]?

I'm asking because I want to write the time derivative of the Dirac representation of the position operator in the Foldy-Wouthusyen representation.
 
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If you know how to derive Heisenberg eq of Motion, then you should have no problem to find the answer.
 
They're the same, the first equation of motion for the operator UAUt gives the second EOM for A.
 
Are you saying that the transformed operator satisfies the first equation but not the second?
 
If the generator of the unitary transform U depends on t -- like going from Schrödinger picture to the Interaction Picture -- then noospace, you have left out a term. Standard stuff, can be found in most QM or QFT texts.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
noospace said:
I'm asking because I want to write the time derivative of the Dirac representation of the position operator in the Foldy-Wouthusyen representation.

see Messiah QM vol 2.
 

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