Helium compound produced, closing the last gap

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The discussion centers around the synthesis and properties of the compound Na2He, a helium-containing crystal formed under high pressure. Participants explore its bonding characteristics, stability, and comparisons to other recent findings in high-pressure physics, such as metallic hydrogen.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe Na2He as having an unusual bonding structure where electrons in free spaces bind the crystal together, rather than traditional bonds.
  • There are claims that removing helium from Na2He would disrupt the crystal structure, indicating the active role of helium in maintaining stability.
  • Some participants propose that Na2He could be classified as an "exclusion compound" based on its electron confinement effects, contrasting it with inclusion compounds.
  • One participant notes that Na2He is categorized as an electride, where electrons serve as anions within the crystal lattice.
  • There is a comparison made between the Na2He findings and recent observations of metallic hydrogen, highlighting differences in the stability claims and peer-review processes of the respective papers.
  • A question is raised regarding the mobility of electrons in Na2He, with some suggesting they behave like immobile anions in ionic compounds, while others inquire about their mobility in relation to metallic compounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of Na2He's bonding and stability, with no consensus reached on the classification of its electrons or the implications of its properties compared to other compounds.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to the stability of other noble gas compounds, such as neon, and the nature of van-der-Waals molecules, which are noted to be less stable. The conversation reflects ongoing uncertainties regarding the definitions and classifications of these compounds.

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Scientists created Na2He in a diamond anvil cell. It is stable only above 113 GPa - but it forms at temperatures up to 1500 K, it is not something exotic that breaks as soon as you look at it.

Na2He is a crystal with an unusual type of bond - it does not have regular bonds, but it has electrons in free spaces binding everything together. Removing the helium would break the crystal - the helium atoms have an active role, they are not just filling gaps of a sodium crystal.

The team also predicts the existence of Na2HeO above 15 GPa. Which is still 100,000 the atmospheric pressure...

Helium is the last noble gas, and the last stable element in general, where a stable compound has been synthesized.

News at sciencealert.com
http://www.nature.com/nchem/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nchem.2716.html
 
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Fascinating paper. I cannot restrain from comparing it to the paper which appeared some weeks ago, where the observation of metallic hydrogen was anounced. The latter paper contained in the introduction some wild speculations about metallic hydrogen being eventually metastable at room temperature and eventually even usefull as a fuel for spacecraft , while the new paper on Na2He reported instead estimates on the lower bound of kinetic stability of the compound based on simulated phonon dispersion relations.
 
mfb said:
Na2He is a crystal with an unusual type of bond - it does not have regular bonds, but it has electrons in free spaces binding everything together. Removing the helium would break the crystal - the helium atoms have an active role, they are not just filling gaps of a sodium crystal.
It's interesting that they specifically mention that Na2He isn't an inclusion compound (full disclosure: I used to work on endohedral fullerenes, including He@C60, so I might be a little biased). I suppose you could call it an "exclusion compound," based on their calculations. The wavefunction of the electrons in the half-filled valence s-band in simple cubic sodium is smeared out across the entire crystal. Since helium has basically no electron affinity, introducing helium at every other octahedral hole (hole in the structural sense, not hole as in electron-hole pair) in the lattice expels the sodium valence electron density from those holes, essentially confining the valence electrons to the unoccupied octahedral holes. It's this confinement effect that causes the band gap to appear and makes Na2He look more like a salt than a metal.

mfb said:
Helium is the last noble gas, and the last stable element in general, where a stable compound has been synthesized.
I wasn't aware that any stable neon compounds had been made (except, of course, for Ne@C60 :biggrin:).
 
TeethWhitener said:
It's interesting that they specifically mention that Na2He isn't an inclusion compound (full disclosure: I used to work on endohedral fullerenes, including He@C60, so I might be a little biased). I suppose you could call it an "exclusion compound," based on their calculations.

The compound is an example of an electride, in which electrons make up the anions in a crystal lattice.

Here's a nice popular press article which expands upon some of the press releases and tells the story of how the research came about, the initial arxiv paper in 2013 and the three-year (!) journey through peer-review to publication in Nature Chemistry. http://www.forbes.com/sites/carmendrahl/2017/02/07/helium-sodium-compound-pressure/ [edit: just realized I forgot to insert the link]

DrDu said:
Fascinating paper. I cannot restrain from comparing it to the paper which appeared some weeks ago, where the observation of metallic hydrogen was anounced. The latter paper contained in the introduction some wild speculations about metallic hydrogen being eventually metastable at room temperature and eventually even usefull as a fuel for spacecraft , while the new paper on Na2He reported instead estimates on the lower bound of kinetic stability of the compound based on simulated phonon dispersion relations.

It is interesting to compare the two papers in light of the criticism of the metallic hydrogen paper. That the Na2He paper took three years to get through peer review and ended up in Nature Chemistry whereas the metallic hydrogen paper got published relatively quickly in Science (the arxiv pre-print was first published October 2016) perhaps speaks to the differences between the two publishers.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
I wasn't aware that any stable neon compounds had been made (except, of course, for Ne@C60 :biggrin:).
Hmm, looks like they are not that stable.
Van-der-Waals molecules exist, but those break quite easily.
 
mfb said:
Na2He is a crystal with an unusual type of bond - it does not have regular bonds, but it has electrons in free spaces binding everything together. Removing the helium would break the crystal - the helium atoms have an active role, they are not just filling gaps of a sodium crystal.
Are the electrons in this type of molecule immobile such as those of an Ionic compound, or mobile such as a metallic compound?
 
Comeback City said:
Are the electrons in this type of molecule immobile such as those of an Ionic compound, or mobile such as a metallic compound?

The electrons are immobile as if they were the anions in an ionic solid. Thus, as reported in the paper, the material acts as an insulator.
 
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