Help me out in these linear equations

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving linear equations related to work rates of women and men. The original poster presents a scenario where a certain number of women and men can complete a task in specified days, seeking to find the individual work rates of one woman and one man.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the formulation of equations based on work rates, questioning how the expressions for work done by women and men were derived. There are discussions about the validity of the equations and the nature of linearity in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in setting up the equations. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the equations and have suggested alternative interpretations of the variables involved. The conversation reflects a mix of confusion and attempts to clarify the setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the equations presented, particularly regarding the right-hand side values and the definitions of the variables related to work rates. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the units and definitions used in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


2 women and 5 men can finish a work a work in 4 days, while 3 women and 6 men can finish it in 3 days. Find the time taken by 1 women alone to finish the work, and also that taken by 1 man alone.

Homework Equations


Pair of linear equations in two variables

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't figure how can I do it out:( LOL
But in the solution, I saw that it had been given that,
Work done by woman in 1 day=x
Work done by man in 1 day=y

=>2/x+ 5/y =1/4

=>3/x + 6/y =4/3

Solving them, gave the answers. But, my doubt here is, how did 2/x,5/y,etc. arrive?

Could anybody please enlighten me:)
 
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Strange, these are not linear equations.

ajay.05 said:
Work done by woman in 1 day=x

Whole work is 1 - if a woman does x per day, she will need 1/x days to finish the work. 2 women need 2/x.
 
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Borek said:
Strange, these are not linear equations.



Whole work is 1 - if a woman does x per day, she will need 1/x days to finish the work. 2 women need 2/x.

Why should 2 women need twice as long to finish the work?
 
Good question, no idea what I was thinking :frown:
 
Ray Vickson said:
Why should 2 women need twice as long to finish the work?

Because they get yakity yaking??
 
ajay.05 said:

Homework Statement


2 women and 5 men can finish a work a work in 4 days, while 3 women and 6 men can finish it in 3 days. Find the time taken by 1 women alone to finish the work, and also that taken by 1 man alone.


Homework Equations


Pair of linear equations in two variables


The Attempt at a Solution


I can't figure how can I do it out:( LOL
But in the solution, I saw that it had been given that,
Work done by woman in 1 day=x
Work done by man in 1 day=y

=>2/x+ 5/y =1/4

=>3/x + 6/y =4/3

Solving them, gave the answers. But, my doubt here is, how did 2/x,5/y,etc. arrive?

Could anybody please enlighten me:)

Think about rates, and that rates add (but times do not).

Anyway, the RHS of the second equation above should be 1/3, not 4/3.
 
ajay.05 said:

Homework Statement


2 women and 5 men can finish a work a work in 4 days, while 3 women and 6 men can finish it in 3 days. Find the time taken by 1 women alone to finish the work, and also that taken by 1 man alone.


Homework Equations


Pair of linear equations in two variables


The Attempt at a Solution


I can't figure how can I do it out:( LOL
But in the solution, I saw that it had been given that,
Work done by woman in 1 day=x
Work done by man in 1 day=y

=>2/x+ 5/y =1/4

=>3/x + 6/y =4/3

Solving them, gave the answers. But, my doubt here is, how did 2/x,5/y,etc. arrive?

Could anybody please enlighten me:)

I think the confusion comes from the units in your problem set up.

Your setup says x is the work done by a woman in 1 day, so I take units are [work woman##^{-1}## day##^{-1}##].
If so, then the work per day by 2 women would be: 2 [women] * x [work woman##^{-1}## day##^{-1}##] = 2x [work day##^{-1}##].

Then the first equation would be 2x + 5y = 1/4 [work / day]. This is the way I'd do the problem.

However, if you follow the problem statement in choosing your variables:

Let x = the time taken by 1 woman alone to finish the work. Then x has units [woman days work##^{-1}##].
Similarly, let y be the time for a 1 man alone [man days] to finish the work.

It follows that 2 [women] / x [woman days work##^{-1}##] has units [work days##^{-1}##], and you get the equations that you posted (with a 1/3 on the RHS as the previous poster points out).

As some of the other posters noticed, these aren't linear equations. That's why it seems easier to me to do it the other way, with your original definition: x is work/woman/day, and so on.
 
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