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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation $\frac{dy}{dx}=\ln(x)-\ln(y)+\frac{x-y}{x+y}$. The participants identify a substitution $v=\frac{y}{x}$, leading to a transformed equation that is more tractable. However, they conclude that the resulting integral is not expressible in terms of elementary functions. The final suggestion indicates that the solution can be expressed in the form $x=C\exp\left(\int f(v)\,dv \right)$, where $C>0$.

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please help me continue solving this,

$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=\ln(x)-\ln(y)+\frac{x-y}{x+y}$

this is where I can get to,

$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=\ln(\frac{x}{y})+\frac{x-y}{x+y}$

multiplying the 2nd term by $\frac{1}{x}$

$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=\ln(\frac{x}{y})+\frac{\frac{x}{y}-1}{\frac{x}{y}+1}$

using the substitution, $\displaystyle v=\frac{y}{x}$--->$\displaystyle y=vx$----->>$\displaystyle\frac{1}{v}=\frac{x}{y}$

$\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=\ln(\frac{1}{v})+\frac{\frac{1}{v}-1}{\frac{1}{v}+1}$

until here I don't know how to proceed.. please help!
 
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You have a mistake in your third equation if you really multiplied by $1/x$, because

$$\frac{x-y}{x+y} = \frac{x \left( 1 - \frac{y}{x} \right)}{x \left( 1 + \frac{y}{x} \right)} = \frac{ 1- \frac{y}{x} }{ 1 + \frac{y}{x} }.$$

Therefore with the substitution $y = vx$ we have

$$
\begin{align}
\frac{dy}{dx} & = v + \frac{dv}{dx} \\
& \text{and} \\
v + \frac{dv}{dx} &= \ln (v) + \frac{1-v}{1+v}.
\end{align}
$$

Perhaps this is more tractable. :)
 
Actually, if one uses:

$$y=vx$$

We find by use of the product rule:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=v+x\frac{dv}{dx}$$

This will lead you to a separable, but from what I can tell, an integral not expressible in terms of elementary functions.
 
then how can we solve this?
 
paulmdrdo said:
then how can we solve this?

Are you certain you have copied the problem exactly as given? I could be wrong or overlooking an appropriate substitution, but I do not see how to obtain even an implicit solution, and W|A cannot either.
 
MarkFL said:
Are you certain you have copied the problem exactly as given? I could be wrong or overlooking an appropriate substitution, but I do not see how to obtain even an implicit solution, and W|A cannot either.

Yes, I copied it correctly.
 
paulmdrdo said:
Yes, I copied it correctly.

The best I can do is give a solution of the form:

$$x=C\exp\left(\int f(v)\,dv \right)$$ where $C>0$.
 

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