Help Needed: 4-Digit Combination for Non-Profit Safe

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The discussion revolves around unlocking a 4-digit combination safe donated to Habitat for Humanity, with the worn keys identified as 2, 5, 8, and 7. Users analyze the potential combinations that can be generated from these digits, confirming that with four unique numbers, there are 10,000 possible combinations if all digits are used. The conversation emphasizes the importance of identifying the most worn key to narrow down the possibilities, as this could significantly reduce the number of combinations to test.

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Hello all:
This may be the only question I ever ask here, so pardon if I posted in wrong forum.

I work for Habitat for Humanity, a non-profit 501(c) (3) org. A local business donated an open floor safe without a combination. We could really use this safe in our office. The manufacturer no longer has the master combination and want over $500 to come out to fix. We can't afford that, but from looking at the keypad, there are 4 numbers that look dirty and well used. Those numbers are: 2587

Can anyone provide me a list of all the number combinations possible for those four numbers?
 
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Does one of the keys look much more worn/dirty than the other three? If they are all equally worn, maybe you are lucky, and there are only 10,000 combinations to try.
 
If you start with 2, next digit can be 5, 7 or 8:

25
27
28

In each case there are only two digits left and they can be in two different orders. Repeat for 5 (followed by 2, 7, 8), 7 (followed by 2, 5 8) and 8 (you should see the pattern now).

That is, assuming combination is four digits. If it is longer it will be more complicated.
 
turbo-1 said:
Does one of the keys look much more worn/dirty than the other three? If they are all equally worn, maybe you are lucky, and there are only 10,000 combinations to try.

Thanks for response. As I said: "but from looking at the keypad, there are 4 numbers that look dirty and well used. Those numbers are: 2587."


Much appreciated
 
Surprising, how similar to some homeworks this question is...
 
turbo-1 said:
Does one of the keys look much more worn/dirty than the other three? If they are all equally worn, maybe you are lucky, and there are only 10,000 combinations to try.
Oops! :redface: Silly me.
 
Not that many possible combos when there are only 4 keys in a 4-number combo. WAY not.
 
Borek said:
Surprising, how similar to some homeworks this question is...

Thanks Borek, but no one has "carded" me in over a decade. I also have gray hair for all that's worth, but if you are afraid of providing an answer, that's fine. Actually, my concern was not being perceived as a snot nosed child, but as a burgler. I assure you, I am as I stated.
 
Let's pretend the worn keys are "1", "2", "3", and "4" and that they are equally worn and dirty. Best-case means that you have a 4-digit combination. If the combo starts with "1", you can have:
1234
1243
1324
1342
1423
1432

That's 6 possible sequences. If you substitute "2", "3" and "4" for the "1" and write down those combinations, it's a pretty short list.
 

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