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The discussion revolves around three proofs related to integers and Diophantine equations. The participants explore the properties of perfect numbers, the sum of reciprocals, and the divisibility of integers by their greatest integer function. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Some participants propose that if \(2^p - 1\) is prime, then the integer \(n = 2^{p-1}(2^p - 1)\) is perfect, and they discuss the sum of its divisors.
  • Others suggest examining the largest prime factor among the integers \(1, 2, 3, \ldots, n\) to show that the sum \(1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3} + \ldots + \frac{1}{n}\) cannot be an integer for \(n > 1\), hinting at using factorials.
  • One participant discusses representing \(n\) as \(k^2 + r\) to analyze when \(\lfloor \sqrt{n} \rfloor\) divides \(n\), questioning the number of possibilities for \(r\).
  • Another participant mentions that the sum \(2^0 + 2^1 + \ldots + 2^{p-1} = 2^p - 1\) is a geometric series and seeks further clarification on proving this result.
  • There is a mention of the factors of \(n\) and whether \(2^k(2^p - 1)\) could yield additional factors.
  • One participant elaborates on the unique properties of powers of 2 in the context of the sum of reciprocals, emphasizing that the highest power of 2 occurs only once in the series of integers.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches to the proofs, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the methods and reasoning involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on any of the proofs presented.

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Participants reference specific mathematical properties and theorems, such as Bertrand's postulate and the geometric series formula, but do not resolve the implications of these references within the context of the proofs.

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this might be answered already, but i didnt find a detailed proof... so here it goes:

1. an integer n is perfect if the sum of its divisors including 1 and itself is 2n. show that if 2^p-1 is a prime number, then n=2^(p-1) (2^p -1) is perfect.

2. show that 1+ 1/2 + 1/3 +... +1/n can never be an integer if n>1.

3. if [x] is the greatest integer less than or equal to x, then for which values of n does [sqrt n] divide n?
 
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1. What are the divisors of [tex]n = 2^{p-1}(2^p-1)[/tex]? Remember that 2^p-1 is a prime number, so the possibilities are easy to spot. Now sum them up.

2. Hm, there are probably easier ways to do this, but my suggestion is to look at the largest prime factor among 1,2,3,...,n. By Bertrands postulate it only occurs once. See what you can do with that. Hint: Multiply both sides with n!.

3. Write n = k^2 + r, where k^2 is the largest square less than or equal to n. What is [tex]\lfloor \sqrt{n} \rfloor[/tex]? How many possibilities are there for r? Note that k^2+2k+1=(k+1)^2+0, so r < 2k+1.
 
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Jarle said:
1. What are the divisors of [tex]n = 2^{p-1}(2^p-1)[/tex]? Remember that 2^p-1 is a prime number, so the possibilities are easy to spot. Now sum them up.

For a "demonstration" of what Jarle is saying here, see the following thread...
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=448993

And also note that 2^{p-1}(2^p-1) follows the form n*(2n -1) which is another way of phrasing the formula for an odd-number indexed triangular number (e.g. 5 * 9 = 45 = T_9; 16 * 31 = 496 = T_31), otherwise referred to as a "hexagonal" number.
 
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thanks for the tips guys!

for Q.1 i have arrived at the result of proving that 2^0+2^1+2^3+2^...2^(p-1) = 2^p - 1 i tried couple numbers and it is true... but how do i go about doing that? : <
 
As you know 2^k for k < p are factors. What about 2^k(2^p-1) ? Can there be more?

EDIT: Or did you mean that you have showed the result given that 2^0+2^1+...+2^(p-1) = 2^p-1? In that case note that this is a geometric series for which there is a well-known formula.
 
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(2) Is a standard number theory problem. The usual approach is to look at powers of 2, and use n!.
 
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What we have here for 2) is the form: [tex]\sum{\frac{\frac {N!}{n_i}}{N!}}}[/tex], where we both multiply and divide by N!.

Now it is an interesting and seldom mention property of 2, that is is the only case in a successive series of integers, where the highest power always occurs only once. For example, if 2^n occurs in this series, where is the next such case in the set 2^n+x? Well, x has to go to 2^n, but in that case, we have 2^n+2^n = 2^(n+1), so that the next case of 2^n comes at 2^(n+1)+2^n, but then we have already found a higher power!

So in the set of integers from 1 to N, there is one case of 2^r, which is the highest power of 2 in the term 1/n(i). Say N! has p cases of power of 2, then 2^r divides out in N! at that point, to leave 2^(p-r) in the numerator at that term, HOWEVER, every other term contains 2 to a higher power, so once 2^(p-r) is factored out of all the numerator, IT LEAVES A SINGLE TERM THAT DOES NOT CONTAIN 2.

This power of 2 can be divided out by the denominator, N!, leaving an even term contain 2^r, and thus the numerator is odd and the denominator is even, so it cannot be an integer!
 
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