Help with an Equivalence Relation?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the relation defined by aRb if and only if |a| = |b| on the set of real numbers $\mathbb{R}$ qualifies as an equivalence relation. Participants explore the properties of reflexivity, among others, in the context of this specific relation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the reflexivity of the relation, questioning whether |a| = |a| holds for all a, particularly when considering negative values.
  • Another participant clarifies that the relation is reflexive because |a| = |a| for all a in $\mathbb{R}$, thus supporting the claim that the relation is reflexive.
  • A third participant introduces a general theorem regarding equivalence relations defined by functions, using the absolute value function as an example and suggesting that this supports the relation's equivalence status.
  • This participant also notes that not all relations defined in a similar manner necessarily satisfy the properties of equivalence relations, prompting a question about which property might be violated in such cases.
  • A later reply expresses personal confusion about the relation, indicating a subjective experience rather than a technical point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial participant's confusion regarding reflexivity, though one participant argues that the relation is indeed reflexive. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on the nature of equivalence relations, particularly in relation to functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of equivalence relations and the specific definitions of functions used in the examples. There is also an acknowledgment of potential confusion surrounding the application of these concepts.

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Hello all, I have an equivalence relation that I need some help with. Normally I find these to be fairly simple, however I'm not sure if I'm over-thinking this one or if it's just tricky.

For the relation: aRb $\Longleftrightarrow$ |a| = |b| on $\mathbb{R}$ determine whether it is an equivalence relation.

Reflexive: Would it really be reflexive? If a = -2, then wouldn't |a| = +2?

Or would it be reflexive, since all a's are contained in a?
 
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katye333 said:
Reflexive: Would it really be reflexive? If a = -2, then wouldn't |a| = +2?
Or would it be reflexive, since all a's are contained in a?

A relation $R$ is reflexive on a set $S$ if and only if $aRa$ for all $a\in S$. In our case $|a|=|a|$ for all $a\in \mathbb{R}$ i.e. $aRa$ for all $a\in \mathbb{R}$, which implies that $R$ is reflexive on $\mathbb{R}$.
 
You can prove a general theorem. Let $A$, $B$ be sets and $f:A\to B$ a total function. Let a relation $R$ on $A$ be defined by $a_1Ra_2\iff f(a_1)=f(a_2)$. Then $R$ is an equivalence relation. In this case $f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}$ is the absolute value function. You can also apply this theorem to $f(x)=\mathop{\text{sgn}}(x)=\begin{cases}1&x>0\\ 0&x=0\\ -1&x<0\end{cases}$, $f(x)=\lfloor x\rfloor$, etc.

Note also that if we take not a function $f$, but an arbitrary relation $F\subseteq A\times B$ and define \[a_1Ra_2\iff \text{there exists a }b\in B\text{ such that }a_1Fb\text{ and }a_2Fb\] then the statement does not hold in general. (Which property of an equivalence relation gets violated?) For example, it does not hold if $A=B$ is a set of people and $aFb\iff b$ is a friend $a$.
 
Thank you both for the responses.
I don't know why that one confused me, while none of the others did. :p
 

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